Oklahoma state uni- Tuba visiting assistant Prof

[Vegasbound]

Full details here

https://okstate.csod.com/ux/ats/careers ... ?c=okstate

[UncleBeer]

Already filled. Nick Beltchev

[jtuba]

Job posted on OSU Jobs site May 24th, the posting closed May 20th...

May 23rd the new guy posts on FB he's got a big announcement soon. So in three days the committee at a major research university had the time to screen packets and conduct interviews and make an offer all in the days between graduations and Memorial Day Weekend.

Reaching out to OSU HR, I learned the job was posted May 10th on some secondary platform, so the search was deemed "fair and open". I will try to look at Interfolio more, but I haven't found job listings yet.

Infer your own conclusions

[jtuba]

Already filled. Nick Beltchev

Nick moved to Western Carolina, he announced that in April

[UncleBeer]

Infer your own conclusions

That's academia for you. Thanks, but just . . . no.

[UncleBeer]

Oooh: my bad. It's actually David Humphreys. I seem to have Joe Biden disease.

[gocsick]

Problem is 95% of visiting Assistant Professor positions are not converted into actual permanent positions.

[arpthark]

Problem is 95% of visiting Assistant Professor positions are not covered into actual permanent positions.

One of my colleagues at a university I taught at was a perpetually "visiting" assistant professor. He had been "visiting" for the last five or six years.

[matt g]

Problem is 95% of visiting Assistant Professor positions are not covered into actual permanent positions.

One of my colleagues at a university I taught at was a perpetually "visiting" assistant professor. He had been "visiting" for the last five or six years.

I don’t know the terms of employment, but I’d be worried about things like not getting a full benefits package (health, dental, 401k, etc) because the school lists it as “visiting”. I looked up the HR site for OSU and didn’t see anything with a quick perusal of the site.

[gocsick]

I don't know about that other OSU but at The Ohio State University Visiting Assistant Professors are basically a dead end job with no chance for advancement or permanent employment. Tenure track positions are simply disappearing outside of fields with stay external research funding. The VaP role used to be thought of as a short term role while you are interviewing for tenure track positions at OTHER institutions, kind of like a post doctor's researcher for field outside of science or engineering. Now schools realize they can get someone who will provide them more stability than a per semester contract adjunct, perform advising, teach classes, do one on one mentoring but not have to provide to benefits of hiring someone in a tenure track roll.

[arpthark]

I don't know about that other OSU but at The Ohio State University Visiting Assistant Professors are basically a dead end job with no chance for advancement or permanent employment. Tenure track positions are simply disappearing outside of fields with stay external research funding. The VaP role used to be thought of as a short term role while you are interviewing for tenure track positions at OTHER institutions, kind of like a post doctor's researcher for field outside of science or engineering. Now schools realize they can get someone who will provide them more stability than a per semester contract adjunct, perform advising, teach classes, do one on one mentoring but not have to provide to benefits of hiring someone in a tenure track roll.

You nailed it.

[russiantuba]

Something to keep in mind here. Dr. Ryan Robinson is the full time, associate professor of tuba and euphonium here, and that this is an extra position.

I too found it quite odd that I saw David Humphreys had taken this position the day after I saw any posting. My guess on this is that with the studio size, that they need a supplemental instructor beyond a graduate assistant (I remember when Todd Malicoate was on the forums that this was a small adjunct position. Ryan has really worked hard at recruiting for the studio). With this being said, and that it isn't a tenure track position, Ryan likely reached out to people he knew that would teach in a similar style that would be willing to fill this role and let them know of the initial posting on the university's website.

The next point, which I have seen twice, one of which is today, is that some schools are going to adjunct pools, where you apply to be on the adjunct list to teach a music appreciation class, so likely will be local. Then, if there is a position that will be a full time, anyone on the adjunct pool list, which technically MIGHT be employees without ever teaching a class, can apply for internal positions. I can't say this for sure about this said posting, but David was looking to move back from Kentucky to be with his wife and might have already been the candidate sought after with an official posting sent out right after the hire was made to make it appear a national search was granted.

Job posted on OSU Jobs site May 24th, the posting closed May 20th...

May 23rd the new guy posts on FB he's got a big announcement soon. So in three days the committee at a major research university had the time to screen packets and conduct interviews and make an offer all in the days between graduations and Memorial Day Weekend.

Reaching out to OSU HR, I learned the job was posted May 10th on some secondary platform, so the search was deemed "fair and open". I will try to look at Interfolio more, but I haven't found job listings yet.

Infer your own conclusions