Jeez Louise

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I just spent nearly 6 hours on a while you wait trombone repair for a university music faculty member who plays trombone and who picked up a rough/used Bach Stradivarius 42B model with an open wrap F attachment for his son.

Besides all the typical stuff, I had to remove the vertical play from the rotor to make it stop clicking and then I had to replace the links on the rotor linkage which were ridiculously rattly, as they were OEM and little pieces of crap. To complicate things I think they were 2.6 mm threaded and all I have here is 3 mm thread the small size. Because he was going to owe me so much money for all the time, I found him too quiet Chinese links and replaced his originals with those along with a piece of 3 mm all thread that I curved a little bit and added some knurled lock rings...

...but the playing slide crook was all smushed flat, both of the outside slide tubes have been repaired by some hack with a slide expander, and I had to make them work anyway, because it's for a 7th grader, and it's really too early to be replacing slide tubes for somebody who's likely to damage them again anyway... And it's hard to take parts ruined by tools and make them usable again. Also, since I slide rebuild was not justified due to the condition of the outside tubes, I was doing a hillbilly repair with my hands, and had to keep rechecking it because the tubes continue to want to flex back to where they had been before. I finally got them to stay put in a enough of a parallel and co-planar position so as the slide actually feels what I would rate as "pretty good"... Which is probably one notch below "good", which is two or three notches below "bloke good" (which - hopefully - is better than new)...ie.
Wow. That's a happenin' slide, man!
(etc.)
There were other typical things like bell dents and creases and taking serious dents out of that elongated F attachment slide on that model - which I managed to do without taking that slide apart, even though it's dicey (as that slide is delicate). My work-around was to solder a piece of crap across the slide tubes to prevent the F-attachment slide bow from folding - while I slung dent balls through it.
Even the slide lock was giving me problems, balancing having it not click against the end ring versus catching the lock itself. Someone else had tried to solve the problem by adding extra felt rings in the cork barrels, so I had to dig those out.
As far as the thumb linkage was concerned, someone had soldered the saddle for the lever itself on crooked whereby its hinge screw would not screw in, so they simply cut the threads off of the hinge screw and the thumb trigger was just floating off of one side. :eyes: ... So I had to straighten out the saddle, get it all lined up collinearly and also remove lateral play and then make a screw for it because I didn't have that screw in stock... All I could find in my Vincent Bach drawer were the water key screws and the thumb saddle screw for the old style thumb saddle which was a slightly smaller diameter hinge screw. (I had to scrounge all through Mrs bloke's woodwind stuff to find a .110" diameter junk screw, and then run its threads down to a 2-56 thread size for the trombone thumb saddle... They playing slide receiver was also cocked off with the wrong angle, and actually the correct way to straighten it is not to unsolder it and reposition it but to bend it back to where it was, which requires particular care, since it is soldered directly to one of the rotor knuckles. What a bunch of jazz to have to mess with... And having to be polite the whole time... :laugh:

Something else it's a little bit awkward about spending so many hours on someone's instrument is having to charge them so much money for all that work, but everyone seems to be really happy with their instruments and to pay cheerfully, so that helps make it not so difficult.



I just ate two pieces of store brand bologna and a slice of cheese and drank a cup of coffee here - finally - at 4:20 p.m.

I think I'm going to lay down for a little bit, try to not think about anything, and then maybe go back out there tonight and work on those crappy (yet way less crappy than they were when I started working on them) King fiberglass sousaphones that I meant to be working on today, because those need to disappear back to the school that owns them and turn into money. Hey: Three of the four are nearly done. :thumbsup:
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bloke wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 3:19 pm… it's hard to take parts ruined by tools and make them usable again.
We had several repair geniuses around the state who kept our music store's shop in business for many years. It got so bad that at one point I put a sign on the shop door that I had hand-lettered. It said:

WE FIX REPAIRS

No one really noticed the weird wording on that sign except for the shop techs and our customers who brought in these previously "repaired" gems for us to fix.

We had one local fellow who liked to use Elmer's to install bassoon pads. We had another repeat offender who liked to use superglue to reset broken soft solder joints.

"Look-a-here… good as new, ma'am!"
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the elephant wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 4:02 pm
bloke wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 3:19 pm… it's hard to take parts ruined by tools and make them usable again.
We had several repair geniuses around the state who kept our music store's shop in business for many years. It got so bad that at one point I put a sign on the shop door that I had hand-lettered. It said:

WE FIX REPAIRS

No one really noticed the weird wording on that sign except for the shop techs and our customers who brought in these previously "repaired" gems for us to fix.

We had one local fellow who liked to use Elmer's to install bassoon pads. We had another repeat offender who liked to use superglue to reset broken soft solder joints.

"Look-a-here… good as new, ma'am!"
Heating up solder joints (which feature invisible coatings of super glue) emits seriously harmful fumes.
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yeah...

The slide-expander jazz is to be expected, but CUTTING THE THREADS OFF OF A SCREW (because it the threads would not insert into a jacked saddle) that (actually) made me laugh.

That rotor body - besides up-and-down play - also sported some lateral stem play.

You know what's a freakin' RELIEF...??

When something is as noisy as hell, you remove ALL of the lost motion in ALL of it's moving parts, put it back together, (quite importantly) it' STILL works, and (the gratifying part) it's (and with no lubrication) as quiet as a new instrument. :thumbsup:

I suppose the "ain't mine" principle applies nearly always but NOT when someone pays me to care about it AS IF it were mine.

unnecessary noise:
Yeah, the older and grumpier I grow, the less-and-less tolerant I become of unnecessary noise...
...time-traveling back sixty years (riding in the back seat of the white '63 Impala) my Dad griped about MY unnecessary noise, and I griped BACK about the offensive odor of his Viceroys. :smilie6:


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