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I live in the middle of nowhere, so it usually takes me an hour or the better part of an hour to get most anywhere to go play a job.

A guy who plays trumpet, sings, and plays keyboard (keyboard while other band members are soloing or while he's singing) hired me a couple of times before and - since I can play choruses and know the changes to a whole bunch of songs, he seems to be calling me more and more.

We've got three Friday nights in a row in a little town north of Jackson,Tennessee (a decent size city about halfway between Memphis and Nashville on I-40) called Humboldt, Tennessee. I believe there's a town by the same name (Humboldt) in California.
Humboldt Tennessee didn't used to be much, but it seems to morphing into a highfalutin northern suburb of Jackson, whereas already north Jackson is the highfalutin part of Jackson.

The venue is a former church which has been converted into an event center with a small upstairs bar and a downstairs restaurant/bar.
The bar restaurant is in the basement's former fellowship hall, with the bartender in the corner and there's a kitchen back where the kitchen (of course) was before.
I haven't seen the sanctuary or what that's supposed to have been converted to, but there's also an outside venue courtyard sort of thing.
There's a little bitty bar upstairs that is sort of like a speakeasy with maybe seating for 15 (no tables) and a bartender.
It's called i.y.k.y.k. and it stands for "if you know, you know". The name refers to how to get into that tiny little upstairs bar. There's an old wooden antique crank telephone outside the door, and you have to lift the earpiece and it's cradle goes up which is actually a switch for an electromagnetic deadbolt lock on the door to the bar, and when it buzzes after you lift the phone earpiece, you can get in the door - which is solid wood with no window. :teeth:

Again we played in the basement fellowship hall where food is served.

We played three 45 minutes sets which were mostly dixieland jazz, but we played some ballads and later jazz standards such as "Funny Valentine", "Moonlight in Vermont", "Satin Doll", "Don't Get Around Much Anymore", and those sorts of things as well... nothing particularly esoteric. Since there were only two of us that were playing pitches, we played a whole bunch of songs and each of them only lasted about as long as an old 45 RPM record. For those of you who don't remember or weren't yet born, most all pop tunes recordings lasted about 2 minutes and 45 seconds, because it was easy to fit those into a radio format.)

I had to play a whole bunch, because it was just the leader guy with the trumpet and keyboard and his singing voice, a drummer, and me on tuba and bass... Honestly, I haven't played bass in years and years and years, but it's sort of like riding a bike... thankfully. (I didn't even bring my bass... The leader actually brought his and asked me if I would play it.) :bugeyes:

I think the funniest thing about the job is that the leader had a book, the drummer had a book, but I had no book. The guy seems to have a lot of confidence in me. :smilie6: I think he's also enjoying having the correct bass lines played in the correct inversions and with all the passing chords outlined, particularly since it's really only the two of us - other than the drummer. You know... like the chromatic descending half steps in "Funny Valentine", whereby you sort of have to know to do that... I guess that's sort of like the name of the tiny upstairs speakeasy, isn't it?

Two more Friday nights of this ... Hey, we got enough tips in the tip jar to where we each got 20 bucks, so my gas was covered. :smilie8:
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Well, at this point, it's nice to play any vintage jazz tunes. The opportunities are few these days. I remember when I was the one that didn't know the tunes... and it seemed hopeless to ever learn the basic 100 jazz tunes. Now, as we get older, we're the ones that know the tunes. Sadly, the vintage jazz repertoire is getting obsolete. 30 years ago folks/the audience recognized a few of the tunes. 15 years ago, folks recognized a few of the tunes as their grandma's favorite. Now, the tunes just create the right texture in a theme event.

Actually, nowadays, to really be effective, a jazz group should play jazz on modern tunes folks will recognize.
On occasion, I have noticed that young folks think anything played instrumentally and with a horn is jazz. Post Modern Jukebox has had good success with this.

Several years ago, I put together a duo with a buddy: trombone and sax. We played over vintage jazz tracks. It was great fun. I had everything on an iPod and used a very small sound system. It was so easy and so portable.

Most of my jazz playing is during a larger social event's cocktail and dinner hour. I tend to call vintage jazz tunes because I enjoy playing over things I know really well and that the horn players will probably know. A more successful track would be a "smooth jazz" tune set where you play modern tunes with a little funky beat and take reserved and melodic solos.

My friends, enjoy the traditional jazz gigs while you can as much of that music is not even popular at the retirement home gigs anymore!

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This little place doesn't have the budget for a keyboard (alone) player and a clarinet/sax person (which would really help), but whatever...
It's good to be playing just a little bit of this stuff, and to be playing many thousands of notes at a gig, rather than two or three hundred strictly-assigned ones.
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Tim Jackson wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:59 am
My friends, enjoy the traditional jazz gigs while you can as much of that music is not even popular at the retirement home gigs anymore!

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Perhaps it depends on where you live. Great music is great music. The music that people listen to when they are older is the music of their youth. So for people now in retirement homes it’s 60-70’s rock — Bob Dillon Beatles etc. But not being “popular" doesn’t mean not liked. I heard some stats a while back that surprised me about the what was the music people were buying. #1 for 20 somethings was classic rock - also #1 for most age ranges including over 55. RAP which seems like it is so prevalent - didn’t even crack the top 20. Most movie sound tracks now are filled with classical and the music of the 60’s-80’s - even the stuff aimed at kids.

I think people are slowly turning back to what I would describe as music with melodies. Stuff you can hum, whistle, sing and at least remember how it goes. Ever hear anybody whistle a rap song? Will much if any of this rap stuff still be played 100 years or even 25 years from now? So much of this music (rap) you can't even decipher what they are saying -much less what they trying to convey. Like that mess at the super bowl which turned out to be some grudge match / dissing contest with another dip stick rapper implying the guy was a pedophile. So now you have to know the back story & stupid feuds between knuckleheads to even begin to understand the “song” (I use that word loosely to describe the music :smilie6: ).

I think a good number of people are returning (or searching for) music that isn’t hurling insults and political agendas and every other word isn’t kill somebody or defund/kill the cops. Singers with beautiful voices and love songs. Around here Big Band Jazz is huge. The High Schools and even middle schools are full of great jazz bands. It never really left the college scene and there are a lot of venues with weekly pro jazz band concerts in the area. Of course, every new generation believes “old generation” music isn’t hip so they try to embrace something new -except after so many centuries “new” and “listenable to" is becoming more and more mutually exclusive. So eventually they end up trying to reinvent old music or just embracing the old music. Ever watch TikTok videos or these short reels on fb - it’s like every content provider has now just discovered 70’s rock and disco music.

When my jazz combo is out doing traditional jazz -it is extremely well received. It’s good music and people respond to good music. They may not know what it is or heard it before, but they like it. We don’t like to do weddings, but sometimes we give in & do an occasional one. And we make it abundantly clear - we play jazz - only jazz - there will be no chicken dance/Proud Mary or disco. The only exception is the dopey tuba player enjoys polkas so we will do some of those to get the crowd dancing. We don’t want to wreck anyone’s wedding, but beforehand they need to understand exactly what they’re getting when they hire us. We charge a lot and we can get away with it because we are all Professionals at something other than music - we don’t need the money so we can afford to turn down jobs.

In a way trad jazz popularity vs liked scenario is similar to what I find in my Muni Band and marches. We draw huge crowds doing concerts in what I would call the traditional Sousa Band Style concert. Sousa played the great music of the day interspersed with not on the program marches. There is this perception that Sousa played nothing but marches along with the idea that marches were for marching instead of being a style of music. People at our concerts love the marches - but for many it’s like the music is new to them.

We have a program where we take one student recommended by their band director from each of the 5 HS in town (schools are in the 5500-6500 kid range - big schools - great band programs including 2 that are Grammy designated schools) and the kids sit in for rehearsals and play with us for our next upcoming indoor concert during the school year (we do 5 indoor concerts - so a total of 25 different kids during the school year) and the kids are blown away by the marches. It’s like they say where has this music been all my life and why isn’t my own HS playing it. It is an eye opener for them. Which can be explained somewhat by their band directors never seemly played the music as students themselves and/or are blindly caught up following the Wind Ensemble narrative of trying to be an orchestra. It’s like it’s shameful to be a band that plays music written for of all things - concert bands. :gaah: I guess there is more status for Band Directors in trying to be fake orchestras.

I’ll add there is some element in jazz circles that jazz has to be a constantly evolving changing music artistic form or else it is dead. That somehow it’s bad to play “old” jazz. I remember hearing Buddy Rich when asked why he didn’t want to play his old stuff - just the new stuff. There have been great rockers like that - who tried to play just their new stuff when the fans came for the old stuff and being upset that the fans weren’t embracing their new stuff. A lot of the Geezer Rockers complain about this now that there has been a huge resurgence of interest in these old groups - some of them have new stuff (and it’s great they still want to be creative) but...people pay to hear what they heard in 1975 -not what some old guy wrote in 2025. I’ve heard Wynton Marsalis talk about there is a place for all the varied jazz styles and his efforts to not just keep them alive but in the minds of younger generations. Great music is great music - no matter how long ago it was “popular music”.

I think the same can be said also for Circus Music. It’s such for lack of a better word - thrilling music. And it’s fading rapidly into obscurity. The circus is all but gone. Now it’s vilified - and the self proclaimed righteous want to delete it from history. Were there problems with circuses - yes - doesn’t make everybody involved from performers to attenders - evil people based on current modern sensibilities that were not the sensibilities of 1880’s populations. Nobody plays Circus Music anymore - with the exception of a group dedicated to the music and community bands. Occasionally it will show up in a movie soundtrack - or military band program, but the military bands seem to be less and less every year and fading into obscurity. So it’s kind of come down to community bands to keep Circus Music and March music alive. When played - people respond enthusiasticly. It deserves to be played.

Same for traditional jazz. I personally am very disappointed with the direction that Ben Jaffee has taken Preservation Hall. His argument I don’t believe holds water that in order to keep the band going he had to ditch traditional jazz. Last time I heard them in concert maybe 15 years ago it sounded more like the soundtrack of Grease. The packed crowd in the 400 person auditorium was kind of in a stunned silence for most of the show until at the end they played 3 of the old standards. That the crowd became alive and very enthusiastic about the music. It’s what they wanted to hear and this was on a college campus and about 2/3 of the audience were college kids. I think he has abandoned the very thing people want to hear from the group and that his father worked so hard to keep alive — traditional jazz.
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People in their late 20's - at our little job - stayed to the end.
They probably had no idea what to "request", but they were continuously smiling and paying attention.

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I participate in a trad jazz jam and dance whenever I can... and the crowd is mostly college kids.. A good number of young ladies are there for the dancing and they drag their boyfriends along. It is free to get in and the drinks are relatively cheap.. they pass the hat for the bar staff and drinks for the band..all of the musicians are of course there for fun and a free beer or two.
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I’ve been filling in when needed for a pro tuba quartet that does popular and polka music. An hour forty five drive, and normally get enough tips to cover the gas, standard rate for gigs, plus a free meal of German food. People sing, dance, and I learn how to be a more versatile musician.
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I started my own group with a jazz trumpet friend. Played with iReal pro for a while, now have a guitar/banjo,player( thanks to Tim Jackson for the sousaphone). People like it but still tough sledding to book gigs. But like Bloke said, no counting rests here! Tired after playing,singing, and whistling for 3 hours 😃. I know this won’t impress the real players on the site, but here’s how we do it, with some success:
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I played a LOT of upright for about seven years. I miss it. I miss that music and the freedom of leadsheets and changes.

I will *never* miss hauling it up and down flights of stairs. I will *never* miss making a second hike to haul my 60 pound bigass amp/monitor up and down flights of stairs. I will *never* miss making a third hike to carry my lightweight-but-too-big-to-carry-with-the-bass-or-amp barstool up and down flights of stairs.

That having been said, I have a nice mid-1960s Kay C-1 upright for sale in the appropriate forum.

Just sayin'…

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This Friday, I'm bring the recording/compensating 3+1 E-flat again...Parking on the street is only about fifty feet from the door to the room, which is really great...and their own side parking lot is the same distance (to the other door) - both: straight in.

I'm also going to bring my OWN (also for sale) '74 Fender Jazz bass (better neck than the band leader's "Jaguar" bass and NOT those honky round-wound strings)...
He's running the bass through his P.A...so no amp to haul.

The no-case E-flat and the electric bass are less than a 6/4 BB-flat and a rectangular cimbasso road case, so I'm cool with it...

ALSO...(at least, last Friday) I was laughing at myself BOTH for REMEMBERING how to play bass/guitar and FORGETTING how to play bass/guitar.

I actually have a "route" worked out:
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- leave blokeplace at 1:00
- arrive at a school (between Tupelo and Columbus, MIss. c. 10 miles off US-45) around 3:15 P.M.
- deliver four school instruments PLUS that Columbus-person-owned Alex C and M-W F...along with an asst. band-director-owned Bach 42B trombone
- minimally chat politely for a few minutes while being paid by everyone
- with Mrs. bloke riding along the entire trip thus far - and departing from the school by 3:40 (and heading straight up US-45), drop her off at a house in Jackson, TN around 6:00 (where we've been loaning someone a spare car for two years, but - as of Thursday - they're leaving the country), whereby she drives it (the car - now - in better shape than when we loaned it out) back to blokeplace
- I'll be up in Humboldt (fewer than twenty miles north of Jackson, TN - just a bit further yet up US-45) around 6:35, in plenty of time for the 7 P.M. downbeat.
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I have two electrics…

A Fender American Standard Jazz Bass from the mid-1970s (I think) and a Korean-made Peavey Grind 5-string from about 1993 that is excellent in all ways, so likely a fluke. Both have flats and allow me to do a great imitation of Jamerson on all that stuff. Both need new pots because some damned cat pissed on them.

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If I ever "clean" them up with new electronics (and maybe some nicer pickups), I will put them on the market. Right now, they smell too bad to sell. HAHAHA!!!
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yeah...no cat pee...but old...slightly crackly...
I have a Korean "acoustic electric" with a round sound hole...I had to plug it with one of those plastic inserts... ' feedback.

hmm...I wonder if I should use that thing Friday (??) 💡 ...if so...CHECK THE BATTERY !!! :eyes:
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The cheesy soundtrack really helps sell this video…

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I showed up for the job last night really exhausted from working, and a few times I could tell that I was letting the time go. What would happen is that I would compare how the song was going along to how it was counted off. If everyone seemed happy with the time as it was, I'd let it stay there and keep it steady at that point, but if it just didn't quite seem to be working, I would gradually recover the five or six beats per minute.
Last week, I did a really good job with the time, and - next weekend - I'm going to strive to do better.

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MikeMason wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:53 am I started my own group with a jazz trumpet friend. Played with iReal pro for a while, now have a guitar/banjo,player( thanks to Tim Jackson for the sousaphone). People like it but still tough sledding to book gigs. But like Bloke said, no counting rests here! Tired after playing,singing, and whistling for 3 hours 😃. I know this won’t impress the real players on the site, but here’s how we do it, with some success:
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Hey Mike! Long time no see. Ironically, I too play with a band in Birmingham, called........wait for it.........Ain't Misbehavin' Dance Band. We're a 17 piece big band. I've been with them playing electric bass for the last 11+ years. Right now that's the only group I'm in. I left Celebration Winds 9 years ago. I'd love to find a decent group to be playing tuba with......than doesn't already have a million tubas.
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Yep! It’s been a minute! Like maybe 15-20 years. I did run across your group on a search, but thought it was different enough and far enough away that I went with the name anyway. We have a good time and people like it, but a hard sell to book, as I knew it would be.
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Regarding trad jazz, music styles come and go... I dropped into the trad jazz scene in the mid seventies, a time when some of the old timers had been playing when it was just jazz back in the 30s. Joe Venuti held court and played at a tavern near the University. We learned it from them but it was still an historical artifact even then. Fast forward 40 years and I began playing at jam sessions where bebop and a few show standards were the thing. Seemed like deja vu all over again.

But here's the thing... some guys who would otherwise be playing cruise ships all summer were hired to play local Trad Jazz gigs. Hand them a book and off you go. This was around 10 years ago, about the time Tuba Skinny was discovered on YouTube. I think they have ignited a whole new interest in the idiom. They play festivals all over Europe and were even gifted studio time to cut their first (IIRC) CD in Tasmania after their tour down under. Videos of them busking in New Orleans show knock-out swing dancers filling Royal Street. The same happens at their performances in Europe. The camera pans the crowd and it's all happy faces and not all old by any means. They're no economic threat to Taylor Swift but I read that they're supporting themselves.

Last night I played a benefit for the local food bank, a gala with 11 acts at the best venue in our mountain valley whose population is about 3500 (we support a small symphony orchestra too. The bar tender plays standup bass next to me in the orchestra.) It was mostly competent amateur string band stuff with some rock standards and some spoken word. Lots of applause from friends and family. My buddy and I did "St. James Infirmary" and "Sway" both of which brought down the house, me on trumpet and buddy on guitar and vocals. Sway is not Trad Jazz but not something most people had heard before either. And they liked it. Was it coincidence that driving home the local radio station played a good version of St. James Infirmary? I saw the owner leaning at the bar.
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