V.F.Cerveny Tornistertuba Quartett- Tuba history!
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V.F.Cerveny Tornistertuba Quartett- Tuba history!
A few very special pieces of my collection I present to you today.
The tornister tuba. This instrument was introduced to the Austrian Landwehrmusikkorps in 1908. Its compact design ensured that the regimental bands of Austria-Hungary could take their bass instruments into the field or into maneuvers, in the so-called Infanterietornister. V.F.Cerveny built these instruments from 1900. Altogether 9 of these instruments are in my collection. As suitable music I have chosen a parade march (composer unknown) to show the sound.
All instruments shown in the video were built by V.F.Cerveny.
The 1st part is played on a tornistertenorhorn in Bb. Extraordinarily small. With a height of 43 cm, a bell diameter of 16 cm and a bore of just 11.5 mm a real small tenor instrument. On the 2nd part I played a baritone in Bb. Height 42 cm, bell 19 cm and the bore is 13 mm. The sound is already rounder and a bit bigger. An absolute rarity you can hear on voice 3. A F tornistertuba. The height is 57 cm, bell diameter 22 cm and bore 15 mm. The feel is extraordinary good.
On the bass part I played a Tornistertuba in BBb. Height 52 cm, bell diameter21 and the bore 14.5 mm. Very crisp and concise. Unfortunately I don't own any original mouthpieces, but even with the modern ones they sound very authentic. Have fun listening!
The tornister tuba. This instrument was introduced to the Austrian Landwehrmusikkorps in 1908. Its compact design ensured that the regimental bands of Austria-Hungary could take their bass instruments into the field or into maneuvers, in the so-called Infanterietornister. V.F.Cerveny built these instruments from 1900. Altogether 9 of these instruments are in my collection. As suitable music I have chosen a parade march (composer unknown) to show the sound.
All instruments shown in the video were built by V.F.Cerveny.
The 1st part is played on a tornistertenorhorn in Bb. Extraordinarily small. With a height of 43 cm, a bell diameter of 16 cm and a bore of just 11.5 mm a real small tenor instrument. On the 2nd part I played a baritone in Bb. Height 42 cm, bell 19 cm and the bore is 13 mm. The sound is already rounder and a bit bigger. An absolute rarity you can hear on voice 3. A F tornistertuba. The height is 57 cm, bell diameter 22 cm and bore 15 mm. The feel is extraordinary good.
On the bass part I played a Tornistertuba in BBb. Height 52 cm, bell diameter21 and the bore 14.5 mm. Very crisp and concise. Unfortunately I don't own any original mouthpieces, but even with the modern ones they sound very authentic. Have fun listening!
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Re: V.F.Cerveny Tornistertuba Quartett- Tuba history!
Wow, Daniel - that is a lot of fun! Thanks so much for taking the time to share these!
Tim
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I’m impressed with how well you adapt to the needs of the instruments you play.
I’m curious, do these tornisters really play so well in tune or are you working hard to steer them in the right direction?
I’m curious, do these tornisters really play so well in tune or are you working hard to steer them in the right direction?
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I enjoyed your playing. The recording of the different instruments sounds so balanced and in tune with each other More, please!
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You have an amazing ability to play antique instruments in tune.
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Hi, at first: i would never use autotune. That would be not natural and the listeners would hear a wrong sound. So i have to work with the tune. I have have good ears to hear the harmonics and the tune. It's not played in only 5 minutes each part ;-)
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Thank you all for your nice comments!
Many greetings from germany
Many greetings from germany
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Do you record one part and then use it as a tuning reference for playing other parts? Or do you record a tuning and timing reference first, separate from the parts? Or do you have yet some other technique?Kontrabasstuba wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:16 am
Hi, at first: i would never use autotune. That would be not natural and the listeners would hear a wrong sound. So i have to work with the tune. I have have good ears to hear the harmonics and the tune. It's not played in only 5 minutes each part ;-)
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This practicing trick actually seems to be working!
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I enjoy your video performances, Daniel. Thanks for posting!
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jtm wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:52 amDo you record one part and then use it as a tuning reference for playing other parts? Or do you record a tuning and timing reference first, separate from the parts? Or do you have yet some other technique?Kontrabasstuba wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:16 am
Hi, at first: i would never use autotune. That would be not natural and the listeners would hear a wrong sound. So i have to work with the tune. I have have good ears to hear the harmonics and the tune. It's not played in only 5 minutes each part ;-)
Yes exactly! I have a multitrack recording system.
I start with with the low part. Than 3th, 2nd...
I have to listen very carefully and use the tune...
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Re: V.F.Cerveny Tornistertuba Quartett- Tuba history!
You really need headphones to give it justice. It does sound rather like a bass trombone/cimbasso, but it sounds slightly rounder with headphones.
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Re: V.F.Cerveny Tornistertuba Quartett- Tuba history!
That was fantastic! And the history was great to read about. Thanks!
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