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Re: Fake tuba namesakes
The city is TianJIN, in the district of BAOdi. No kidding.
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Famous maker of Eastern Bloc tubas.
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Re: Fake tuba namesakes
I'm surprised no one has mentioned stencil names yet. I play an F. Schmidt 3301, which I assume is not a reference to an actual person, but sounds impressively German (it's actually a VMI 3301, or what is now a B&S PT-2P).
Oh, and even the great Herman Conrad, before he started playing the Pepper Sousaphone, and then the Conn Sousaphone, played a large BBb helicon bass labelled "Henry Gunckel of Paris," which, again, I'm pretty sure was a fictitious name. That stencil horn was made by F. Sudre and imported to America by Lyon & Healy.
Here's the listing in the 1880 Lyon & Healy catalogue:
Oh, and even the great Herman Conrad, before he started playing the Pepper Sousaphone, and then the Conn Sousaphone, played a large BBb helicon bass labelled "Henry Gunckel of Paris," which, again, I'm pretty sure was a fictitious name. That stencil horn was made by F. Sudre and imported to America by Lyon & Healy.
Here's the listing in the 1880 Lyon & Healy catalogue:
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- arpthark (Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:45 am)
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on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
Led the USC Trojan Marching Band tuba section (early '80s)
Now playing an F. Schmidt (=VMI) 3301 and goofing around
on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
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In one of my perusals of FleaBay I noticed a “Catelinet” tuba. I would imagine that this brand name is meant to evoke the name of the late Phillip Catelinet, but I would be extremely surprised to find out he had anything whatsoever to do with them. He MIGHT have had something to do with Wessex instruments before he passed, but I’m not completely sure about that.
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Wessex was started by Jonathan Hodgetts around 2011, and Mr. Catelinet died in 1995, so that may be a little unlikely.DonO. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:02 am In one of my perusals of FleaBay I noticed a “Catelinet” tuba. I would imagine that this brand name is meant to evoke the name of the late Phillip Catelinet, but I would be extremely surprised to find out he had anything whatsoever to do with them. He MIGHT have had something to do with Wessex instruments before he passed, but I’m not completely sure about that.
This is getting into spotty territory though, as Philip Catelinet was a very much real person, and not a made-up name like Andreas Eastman or the "Weston" of Meinl-Weston, etc. But I agree that it is kind of odd to invoke the name of a long-dead player in an unrelated instrument. Kind of like Amati tubas. That is, unless they made tubas in Cremona in the 16th-18th centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amati
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As a young fellow with no background in the German language, I thought Gebr. / Gebrüder Alexander was a name. Like Gabriel Alexander or something.*bort2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:22 am
7 generations of Gebruder Alexander:
https://gebr-alexander.de/en/about-us/7-generationen/
When I was a slightly older fellow who could passably read and write Deutsch after several courses in grad school, it hit me that it essentially means "Alexander Bros."
*flashback to one of my embarrassing first lessons with my tuba prof where I talked very highly of the "Wiener Philharmonic," pronouncing it like the sausage. Oy.
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It took me a bit to learn the difference between Brüder (plural of Bruder) and Gebruder (all of the brothers).
Although I do wonder if a woman "Alexander" takes over some day, if it will still be called "Gebrüder Alexander" or if they would change it to "Geschwister Alexander" [Alexander siblings]
Although I do wonder if a woman "Alexander" takes over some day, if it will still be called "Gebrüder Alexander" or if they would change it to "Geschwister Alexander" [Alexander siblings]
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My Dad studied German in college, and brushed up and strengthened his ability to hear/understand and read it when he took his brother and his father to Germany in the late 1960s - to find our family in a small town not far from Munich. I don't know any German, even though he studied it and could speak it fairly well. Additionally, my Mother's parents grew up in Wisconsin beginning in the early 1880s, and they spoke fluent German, of course.
All of that having been said (about being surrounded with German speaking people, yet being totally ignorant of the language), I discovered the meaning of that g word meaning "group of brothers" from an educated person who owned Alexander F and B-flat tubas. I learned this from them in the late 1970s - probably a couple of years after I learned about the existence of Alexander tubas.
All of that having been said (about being surrounded with German speaking people, yet being totally ignorant of the language), I discovered the meaning of that g word meaning "group of brothers" from an educated person who owned Alexander F and B-flat tubas. I learned this from them in the late 1970s - probably a couple of years after I learned about the existence of Alexander tubas.
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First name Melton.
Last name Faces.
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And according to some obscure photographic evidence, IIRC, UncleBeer has BEEN there, so he should know.
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