Copper Serpent in D Horst Voigt for sale

[TheBerlinerTuba]

Selling my copper with brass trimming Serpent in D made by Horst Voigt. It was from a set of serpents commissioned by the Berlin/Leipzig Radio Orchestras back in the 1970s. It has 6 tone holes and 3 brass keys for B, F# and Eb.
It's in beautiful unlacquered condition with no dents. Since I've owned it, I scanned it with the BIAS software and subsequently modified two of the tone holes to improve the intonation. These modifications were done in my workshop and are almost invisible.
The price is 3500€ and includes the original wooden mouthpiece.
While I enjoy this instrument very much, I also own a wooden Ribo Serpent in C and I prefer to only learn one set of fingerings. Its the same issue for F/Eb or CC/BBb tuba. The copper serpent also has the advantage of not being weather sensitive...
Shipping is fine, but at buyers expense.

[arpthark]

Sorry, but I was looking for a copper serpent in D-flat, so I will have to pass.

Just kidding. What a rare and unusual instrument! I don't think I've seen a serpent made from anything besides leather-bound wood. Do you know why Herr Voigt and co. made these modern serpents from copper?

[TheBerlinerTuba]

Come on man, C# is where it's at

Voigt was commissioned by the Berlin and Leipzig Radio Symphony orchestras for a series of Handel's Messiah or something similar, performances with period correct instruments.
They based their serpent off of a copper instrument from one of the German museums(I have to look up which one).
Serpents esp. from the mid 19th century were occasionally made from brass and copper especially in England. I believe there are still 5-6 original examples left worldwide.
I believe it was also a calling card for Voigt. There aren't many shops that can bend copper bows like this and it was a chance to show off their skills.

[arpthark]

Come on man, C# is where it's at

Voigt was commissioned by the Berlin and Leipzig Radio Symphony orchestras for a series of Handel's Messiah or something similar, performances with period correct instruments.
They based their serpent off of a copper instrument from one of the German museums(I have to look up which one).
Serpents esp. from the mid 19th century were occasionally made from brass and copper especially in England. I believe there are still 5-6 original examples left worldwide.
I believe it was also a calling card for Voigt. There aren't many shops that can bend copper bows like this and it was a chance to show off their skills.

Very interesting! English copper serpents, who knew.

I always enjoy your stuff. Thanks for sharing, and good look rehoming this snake.

[UncleBeer]

I believe it was also a calling card for Voigt. There aren't many shops that can bend copper bows like this and it was a chance to show off their skills.

I'd be really surprised if they didn't do the bows in halves and braze them together. That's how almost all the York-copy companies do their top bows. Much less labor-intensive.

[bloke]

I believe it was also a calling card for Voigt. There aren't many shops that can bend copper bows like this and it was a chance to show off their skills.

I'd be really surprised if they didn't do the bows in halves and braze them together. That's how almost all the York-copy companies do their top bows. Much less labor-intensive.

' pretty sure (on my laptop (ie. larger screen) I'm seeing a seam running along the side, including the largest bow...

[UncleBeer]

' pretty sure (on my laptop (ie. larger screen) I'm seeing a seam running along the side, including the largest bow...

I see that as well, but I don't think that's a definitive indication that it's made in two halves, as if you just rolled up a sheet of copper to fill and bend it, you'd make the seam on the side as well, cuz then you don't have to stress it while bending. The seam then stays the same length, as opposed to if you put it on the inside or outside of the bend. Then it would have to expand/contract, increasing chance of failure. I know from experience.

[bloke]

ok...it's just as you suspect.

There. That's the end of that.

[TheBerlinerTuba]

I believe it was also a calling card for Voigt. There aren't many shops that can bend copper bows like this and it was a chance to show off their skills.

I'd be really surprised if they didn't do the bows in halves and braze them together. That's how almost all the York-copy companies do their top bows. Much less labor-intensive.

In Germany, we tend to do bows in two halves when we want to avoid using lead, usually for health concerns or if the weight of the leadfilled piece is an issue. In terms of labor, both are time intensive and I wouldn't say one is faster than the other. Most modern companies use hydraulics to save time and improve consistency.

[TheBerlinerTuba]

And a mid August bump!

[TheBerlinerTuba]

And an X-mass Bump!

[TheBerlinerTuba]

And an Easter Bump!

[BopEuph]

This is so very cool! Are there videos of this particular horn? I've never seen a COPPER serpent!