Tubas and COVID

[gwwilk]

I greatly appreciate yadent's posts here. He has a firm grasp on the foolishness our leaders have inflicted upon us regarding COVID-19.

This is a virus that causes URI's or the common cold, and no such attempt to limit the spread of such a virus by the widespread use of flawed antigen and antibody testing and social isolation has ever occurred. We've been in uncharted territory, and this has been a massive uncontrolled and failed experiment to wipe COVID-19 off of the map. Anyone with an ounce of common sense needed only to look at the JHU COVID-19 map of the US last Spring where the dots representing positive tests were already everywhere, and I mean everywhere. Nebraska had already found positive tests in almost all 93 counties, for instance. (Erroneous statements deleted. The virologists couldn't even be bothered to type COVID-'19 or COVID-2019 when branding the strain.)

Yet the 'experts' who had only flawed models and their academic credentials them to guide them insisted that they were going to save us from ourselves by instituting 'mitigation' strategies. The collateral damage and deaths from anguished, poorly self-sustaining individuals who lost their social lifeline and ultimately their lives via e.g. alcoholism or suicide or just plain loneliness have not been entered into the model's equation. And if a false-positive individual succumbs to natural causes, they're still counted as COVID-19 deaths. This past weekend Nick Saban was almost victimized by a false positive antigen test. They just kept testing him repeatedly until the tests were repeatedly negative. This isn't done for anyone but celebrities.

Think the 'experts' infection control procedures are foolproof? What happens after you defecate in a medical facility's restroom. You RE-DRESS BEFORE you wash your hands according to the prominent hand-washing reminder posters, thus contaminating your clothing. But the sink and sanitizer are located where you can't reach them until you are again fully clothed. Hand-washing does help, but the procedure itself is flawed. You need to be able to rotate the lavatory into position while you are seated on the stool in order to wash your hands prior to standing up, thus mitigating this problem of potentially contaminated clothing. I'll wager that any 'experts' who have ever reasoned like this and fought for this amenity have been shouted down by everyone around them as being 'unrealistic'.

I'm a retired physician who spent 34 years treating students from around the world thus exposing me to whatever ailments they had. I've even diagnosed and treated malaria. For around 20 of those years I was the chair of our institution's infection control committee. I even had to fight off an attempt by our head nurse to eliminate our tuberculosis surveillance of the staff because it inconvenienced the nurses to track down everyone, administer their PPD's (not used any more), and then read them. This, even though we routinely treated students from places where tuberculosis is endemic!

The road to he!! is paved with the best of intentions by some.

[bloke]

By the way, I just started this thread since I thought it was an interesting way to start to look at aersolization from wind instruments. I was hoping that it wouldn’t turn into the same debate about the best COVID public health policies that our country has been having more months now.

…and every time someone wants to be “scientific“ about air coming out of played instruments I roll my eyes, because playing wind instruments involves people exhaling very little air (far less than with a normal exhale) into them – in particular ways that set off sympathetic vibrations of the air columns in the instruments. We are barely/only-slowly replacing the air columns in instruments (when playing them), due to the very little air we are blowing into them – certainly as compared to a normal exhale. If we blow a lot of air into wind instruments, they all make only “air hissing” sounds.

ALL of the air in a normal full exhale finds its way past a mask. If it didn’t, the mask would inflate. For one last time, playing a wind instrument involves less air going out of a person than the air going out of a person through a mask...and if a person is exhaling viral microbes through a mask, a huge percentage of those microbes (due to the very small size of those microbes) will find their way past the mask. ...and yes, when someone‘s else snot droplets land on our mask (instead of on the skin of our face), that increases our own efficiency in inhaling others‘ viral microbes into our own respiratory systems.

[RenoDoc]

GWWILK-
1) How do you feel about your Governor taking these measures given rates in Nebraska. https://www.3newsnow.com/news/local-new ... -19-update

2) The 19 in COVID isn't because there are 19 strains. It's because the virus originated in 2019. "On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, first identified in Wuhan China. The new name of this disease is coronavirus disease 2019, abbreviated as COVID-19. In COVID-19, ‘CO’ stands for ‘corona,’ ‘VI’ for ‘virus,’ and ‘D’ for disease. Formerly, this disease was referred to as “2019 novel coronavirus” or “2019-nCoV”."

Right now, there about 6 main strains...https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105246.htm

[KingTuba1241X]

2) The 19 in COVID isn't because there are 19 strains. It's because the virus originated in 2019.

I think that's what Mr. Wilk meant, that it was "created" in 2019 and thus during that time frame it has been allowed to mutate many times. Either way, 6 mutations or 19 mutations, good luck with the efficacy of a vaccine! Not going to happen. I just can't help but think that, only 45-50 years ago Doctors were still recommending what brand of cigarette we should smoke. The only doctor I trust, is one in the ER saving me from bleeding out.

[bloke]

Possibly even worse than the overreactions, including:
- devastating the economy
- destroying countless thousands of businesses
- fascistically transferring money (and creating fake money) to those who've not earned it (which is not only unfair, but also ultimately hyper-inflation-promoting)

...is the over-the-top "WE'RE ALL GONNA (read: "I'm gonna") DIE!" alarmism...
ex: the night before the day of our orchestra's brass choir concert, I had a scratchy throat, watery eyes, minor dizziness, and a headache (albeit temperature: 97.8°). I got through the day (along with the concerts, and performing the little Vaughan Williams Mvt. II ballad) with strong coffee and several aspirin. Today (two days later) I'm fine...but WHY they Hell should our FIRST fear be...[GULP! ] "covid"...??


bloke "I can absolutely certify to anyone reading this that I AM going to die."

[gwwilk]

GWWILK-
1) How do you feel about your Governor taking these measures given rates in Nebraska. https://www.3newsnow.com/news/local-new ... -19-update

My feelings here are irrelevant. My thoughts are that this isn't a very helpful response. Pinpointing the source of a positive test is extremely difficult, especially when the validity of the tests is the initial worrisome consideration.

2) The 19 in COVID isn't because there are 19 strains. It's because the virus originated in 2019. "On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, first identified in Wuhan China. The new name of this disease is coronavirus disease 2019, abbreviated as COVID-19. In COVID-19, ‘CO’ stands for ‘corona,’ ‘VI’ for ‘virus,’ and ‘D’ for disease. Formerly, this disease was referred to as “2019 novel coronavirus” or “2019-nCoV”."

Right now, there about 6 main strains...https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 105246.htm

Thank you! I stand corrected. The erroneous statements have been elided from my post, although the confusing nomenclature should have been COVID-'19 or COVID-2019.

[Yadent]

Whoa there Silver State Doc! I never stated that RCT's were an absolute but highly preferable over any observational study, being the acknowledge gold standard in terms of research. Notice that I utilized a CDC observational study to give credence to established masking RCT's. And why would I devise another RCT masking study in regards to viral transmission when there are many in existence now? Is this corona virus significantly different in terms of mask capture from other virus?? I'm somewhat surprised you gave little thought to that 1979-1980 mask study. If masks had no effect on bacterial transmission, in fact masks were shown to be a NEGATIVE, bacteria, being a MUCH larger organism than viral particles, simple deductive reasoning would indicate that masking would be even less effective against the smaller virus.

As for the original post regarding musical instruments and viral transmission, I have yet to find ANY instance where such a transmission has occurred. In fact, I have found NO definitive, verifiable proof that musical activities in any form has resulted in respiratory transfer of this virus. As mentioned, solutions in search of a problem??

As for the Governor of Nebraska, maybe he sees a repeat of last season's epidemic coming down the pipe.....and no, not the COVID.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

[RenoDoc]

This is a nice review article in Nature. Again, I'd encourage you to watch the interview with Dr. Gandhi.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

[LeMark]

this started as a discussion about if the covid particles can travel through a tuba. It migrated into something political, because of course it did. Put that crap on Facebook, not here