Optimum number of horns
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Optimum number of horns
What do you think is the optimum number of horns to have? I know I need to cull down, but how far? I can tell you from experience that 24 is not the optimal number unless you own a tuba museum! :ugeek:
Terry Stryker
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
Re: Optimum number of horns
N+1, where N = Number of horns you currently own.
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Re: Optimum number of horns
Well, I seem to attract them. I was given 4 sousaphones earlier in the week. I've fixed 3 so far. Keeping two of them (one brass, one fiberglass) and found a friend that wanted one. Likely will give the other brass one to a small school band program.Tuba Forum Admin wrote:I think I might own that many brass instruments, for sure if you count basses and guitars, but man... dang
Terry Stryker
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
Re: Optimum number of horns
I only have the 12J and Kanstul 900-4B. I do a ton of commercial stuff on the Conn, but I eventually want a helicon or sousaphone to cover the strolling gigs. Eventually want a bass tuba for some more legit playing, but nobody calls me for serious classical gigs.
Nick
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1984 Conn 12J
1990s Kanstul 900-4B BBb
1924 Holton 122 Sousa
1972 Holton B300 Euph
If you see a Willson 2900, serial W2177, it's been missing for a long time. Help me bring it home.
(This horn list more to remind me what I have than to brag)
1984 Conn 12J
1990s Kanstul 900-4B BBb
1924 Holton 122 Sousa
1972 Holton B300 Euph
If you see a Willson 2900, serial W2177, it's been missing for a long time. Help me bring it home.
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Re: Optimum number of horns
Stryk wrote:What do you think is the optimum number of horns to have? I know I need to cull down, but how far? I can tell you from experience that 24 is not the optimal number unless you own a tuba museum! :ugeek:
This depends on your definition of "optimal". :D
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Re: Optimum number of horns
The answer to “how many ___________s should I own?” Is always N+1, where N is the number you currently own.
Did I beat Rick to the first engineer dork answer?
Did I beat Rick to the first engineer dork answer?
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Re: Optimum number of horns
For me, it is four. I have a large and a small CC and a large and a small F.
The Holton 345 is for the orchestra and for community bands. Nothing sounds better than an American BAT in a concert band.
The Mirafone 186 is my main horn for all settings. It is my do-anything tuba. If I get a call for a gig with no info beyond "show up at this place at this time" I generally take this horn.
My Kurath F is for quintet and is more of a small CC in tone with an easily accessible upper register, which is what I want in that setting. I use it in orchestra only on big works where a big sound is needed, but with the clarity (and some of the transparency) of a bass tuba.
I sold my small F to get the large one. I miss that small F on some gigs, as well as in the orchestra. I am working on building one using the bugle from a MW-182. It is like my old 621 Yamaha but with some nice color to the sound. (Well, the bugle with a straight pipe inserted to connect the leadpipe and the MTS sounds *great*, but I'm not sure how it will work out for me in the low register. We shall see.)
For me this is optimal. I have five horns for work (three of the four I want, with two backups), but I also have boxes of valves and about a dozen valveless bugles sitting around. This is suboptimal. But this is also fun. HAHAHA!!!
The Holton 345 is for the orchestra and for community bands. Nothing sounds better than an American BAT in a concert band.
The Mirafone 186 is my main horn for all settings. It is my do-anything tuba. If I get a call for a gig with no info beyond "show up at this place at this time" I generally take this horn.
My Kurath F is for quintet and is more of a small CC in tone with an easily accessible upper register, which is what I want in that setting. I use it in orchestra only on big works where a big sound is needed, but with the clarity (and some of the transparency) of a bass tuba.
I sold my small F to get the large one. I miss that small F on some gigs, as well as in the orchestra. I am working on building one using the bugle from a MW-182. It is like my old 621 Yamaha but with some nice color to the sound. (Well, the bugle with a straight pipe inserted to connect the leadpipe and the MTS sounds *great*, but I'm not sure how it will work out for me in the low register. We shall see.)
For me this is optimal. I have five horns for work (three of the four I want, with two backups), but I also have boxes of valves and about a dozen valveless bugles sitting around. This is suboptimal. But this is also fun. HAHAHA!!!
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Re: Optimum number of horns
My wife says I have too many instruments!
Alto trombone
Small bore tenor trombone
Medium bore tenor trombone
Large bore tenor trombone
Bass trombone
Euphonium
Baritone
German oval
Double-bell euphonium
BBb tuba
Eb tuba
Cornet
Trumpet
Right tool for the right job! Will post my collection and practice space at some point. And YES, I really do use every instrument that I own.
Alto trombone
Small bore tenor trombone
Medium bore tenor trombone
Large bore tenor trombone
Bass trombone
Euphonium
Baritone
German oval
Double-bell euphonium
BBb tuba
Eb tuba
Cornet
Trumpet
Right tool for the right job! Will post my collection and practice space at some point. And YES, I really do use every instrument that I own.
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Re: Optimum number of horns
I don't count, but I have things for which I use each tuba-like object.
Most everyone here knows my rule:
If it collects dust too long, it goes.
Obviously, this crazy economic shut-down has caused me to suspend my rule.
I've listed them all before...
> big C tuba: orchestra noisemaker, ceremonial quintet tuba (weddings/commencements/etc...due to the orchestral transcriptions always programmed)
> F tuba: most all quintet, polka band, and solo work (I laugh when I type "solo work", but I seem to be asked to do that - these days - at least annually...??)
> cimbasso: nearly wall-to-wall use in MOST orch. pops concerts, renaissance/baroque quintet transcriptions, and the small amount of Italian opera music encountered...I've used it for many other things...such as some bass trombone/tenor trombone duets in a patrons' (orch-related) recital
> comp. E-flat tuba: (big bell) sit-down jazz band gigs (fat sound, good intonation, extremely easy to play, fully chromatic)
> 4-valve fiber Conn B-flat sousaphone: stand-up gigs that involve standing up the entire time (I now have a rare-ish alternate 26' bell w/6' collar that fits it.)
> comp euphonium: covers bass tbn. quintet parts
> kaiser baritone: (American tuba players seem to call these "tenor tubas" - probably due to century-old orchestra parts designations) because this one kicks butt, I've always wanted one, and I like it (ie. an EXCEPTION to my rule...but actually it does NOT collect dust)
> tootles and tweedles: (valve trombone, flugabone, pocket trumpet) "special" effects to (as with the woodwind guy and all his stuff) offer more variety to our four-man polka band gigs. I'm also asked to play trombone - from time-to-time - at jazz band gigs, where "Bubba" (etc.) was hired to play electric bass.
> kaiser BB-flat: bought to optimize, figure out what it's all about (just like Alfie), and either keep or sell to someone else who would also like to give a newish-condition instrument - of this genre - a go
> electric bass: (tuba-related, being a bass instrument) a truely extraordinary pinnacle-vintage instrument (along with it's tube amp), though I never play it anymore, and rarely tell anyone that I do...because some would just ask me to double with it on jazz band gigs without offering me extra cartage. i might be sentimentally-attached to this, but I should probably turn it into some one-of-Mrs.-bloke's-projects cash (for materials).
Most everyone here knows my rule:
If it collects dust too long, it goes.
Obviously, this crazy economic shut-down has caused me to suspend my rule.
I've listed them all before...
> big C tuba: orchestra noisemaker, ceremonial quintet tuba (weddings/commencements/etc...due to the orchestral transcriptions always programmed)
> F tuba: most all quintet, polka band, and solo work (I laugh when I type "solo work", but I seem to be asked to do that - these days - at least annually...??)
> cimbasso: nearly wall-to-wall use in MOST orch. pops concerts, renaissance/baroque quintet transcriptions, and the small amount of Italian opera music encountered...I've used it for many other things...such as some bass trombone/tenor trombone duets in a patrons' (orch-related) recital
> comp. E-flat tuba: (big bell) sit-down jazz band gigs (fat sound, good intonation, extremely easy to play, fully chromatic)
> 4-valve fiber Conn B-flat sousaphone: stand-up gigs that involve standing up the entire time (I now have a rare-ish alternate 26' bell w/6' collar that fits it.)
> comp euphonium: covers bass tbn. quintet parts
> kaiser baritone: (American tuba players seem to call these "tenor tubas" - probably due to century-old orchestra parts designations) because this one kicks butt, I've always wanted one, and I like it (ie. an EXCEPTION to my rule...but actually it does NOT collect dust)
> tootles and tweedles: (valve trombone, flugabone, pocket trumpet) "special" effects to (as with the woodwind guy and all his stuff) offer more variety to our four-man polka band gigs. I'm also asked to play trombone - from time-to-time - at jazz band gigs, where "Bubba" (etc.) was hired to play electric bass.
> kaiser BB-flat: bought to optimize, figure out what it's all about (just like Alfie), and either keep or sell to someone else who would also like to give a newish-condition instrument - of this genre - a go
> electric bass: (tuba-related, being a bass instrument) a truely extraordinary pinnacle-vintage instrument (along with it's tube amp), though I never play it anymore, and rarely tell anyone that I do...because some would just ask me to double with it on jazz band gigs without offering me extra cartage. i might be sentimentally-attached to this, but I should probably turn it into some one-of-Mrs.-bloke's-projects cash (for materials).
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Re: Optimum number of horns
N-1, where N is the number of tubas Mike Lynch owns.hrender wrote:N+1, where N = Number of horns you currently own.
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Re: Optimum number of horns
heh, like to have is certainly n+1 or atleast freedom to have one big, one small, of each key and maybe anything unusual that catches one's eye.
In reality, my Wessex Gnagey Eb 4v+t can/will meet any demands I will have playing wise -- Brass band and Dixieland. The largest limiting factor is the person behind the horn, not the horn itself.
...Though during quarantine i've had wished for a euph or trombone to try and record myself playing multiple parts. I tried a few self arrangements with just my one tuba, they all sounded muddy and garbage likely due to the parts being too close to one another. --Then again, the point above still stands true :)
In reality, my Wessex Gnagey Eb 4v+t can/will meet any demands I will have playing wise -- Brass band and Dixieland. The largest limiting factor is the person behind the horn, not the horn itself.
...Though during quarantine i've had wished for a euph or trombone to try and record myself playing multiple parts. I tried a few self arrangements with just my one tuba, they all sounded muddy and garbage likely due to the parts being too close to one another. --Then again, the point above still stands true :)
Wessex Gnagey Eb
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Re: Optimum number of horns
I have 136 horns, of which 11 are tubas.
Good thing my wife is a musician!
Good thing my wife is a musician!
If it’s tourist season, why can’t we shoot them?
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Re: Optimum number of horns
I have 136 wives, of which 11 are Michael's.windshieldbug wrote:I have 136 horns, of which 11 are tubas.
Good thing my wife is a musician!
No, wait… :o
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the elephant wrote:I have 136 wives, of which 11 are Michael's.windshieldbug wrote:I have 136 horns, of which 11 are tubas.
Good thing my wife is a musician!
No, wait… :o
Make sure you train them right before you return them! :shock:
If it’s tourist season, why can’t we shoot them?
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Re: Optimum number of horns
Were it that I had 136 wives, I suspect that some of them wouldn’t ever get played.