The “Art” of these instruments…

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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…

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arpthark wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:28 pm I think the horizontal slide of the 188 makes a nice counterpart to the horizontal mouthpipe while simultaneously emphasizing the satisfying width of the instrument.

1920s 6/4 top action rotary valve Martin BBb has some nice conical things going for it:

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Let's do a thread on ugly tubas next. (Recording bell Besson BBb wins by default, but who would win 2nd place?)
I'd forgotten about those Martin rotary horns! That's a big, fat horn, for sure!


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matt g wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:59 pm
bloke wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:40 pm I don't know if Art Hovey ever joined this place....(??)
I don’t think so either
Someone should reach out...
He's great !!!
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Big York 3 front valve Bb's. A guy in Florida on the old forum had one and it was just gorgeous, I really liked that long top 3rd valve slide as well. Holton 345's are also a great looking horn, very classic.

I really like the Miraphone 191/1291 bodies, particularly that gold brass 191. :drool: Looks great sounds great though I'd buy a 1291 Bb instead, 191 ergos are pretty rough on my monkey arms.
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Just as the St Pete 202 is the Russian/Ukrainian version of a piggy B-flat, the 191 is the Miraphone version of a piggy B-flat.
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Grumpikins wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:16 pm It's a little bit of a side step, but I really like this helicon I spotted on the web one day. It just looks more refined than a sousaphone.
Lignatone Eb. Last I heard, in possession of a gentleman in Minneapolis. Presumably Amati manufacture, and generally conforming to the Cerveny 611. Or whatever the model number would be, I forget. Ergonomics could be faulted, intonation tolerable if not the best ever, sound was good.
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Lignatone Eb. Last I heard, in possession of a gentleman in Minneapolis. Presumably Amati manufacture, and generally conforming to the Cerveny 611. Or whatever the model number would be, I forget. Ergonomics could be faulted, intonation tolerable if not the best ever, sound was good.[/quote]



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Gah...

Was trying to say....someday I want to build a frankensousa in Cc looking something like that. Although...Bb might be a better choice because sousa marches are real knuckle busters on Cc tuba.

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I agree, guys. This is the way to go.
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Italian design Orsi Milano......

https://www.musik-anzeigen.com/pictures ... 6cba9f.jpg.

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If there were any artists in control, I'd expect to see an oval tuba.
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On the Orsi, which slide is the one that is blocking access to the first valve slide?
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bloke wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:34 am On the Orsi, which slide is the one that is blocking access to the first valve slide?
Looks like the third slide, to me.
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A primary-access #3 slide is pretty good...

(referring to B-flat tuba pitches below)
- avoids the (typically flat) 4th valve C (if tuned for double-low F)...ie. pull out for 1-3
- allows for tuning the (typically flat, compared to the other 2-3 pitches) middle range 2-3 F-sharp

...but - if it's in the way of the first valve slide - there are quite a few things which must typically be forgone.
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For me, the old Kalison DS and 2000 models were/are some of the prettiest tubas made. It's the overall proportions, slide layout, piston cluster/arrangement, pull ring on the 1rst slide.
Etc.
The old Marzan slant-rotor tubas are also very attractive to me.

We could then get into small detail aesthetics on tubas. Like thumb rings, pull rings, nubs, braces, ferrules, valve buttons and the like. Also bell engravings :teeth: :popcorn:
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1920s York Tuba front view .jpg
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Although I no longer own this horn, I still like to show it off. 1920s era York BBb. Originional conditionn.
It was a joy to own and play, but it was not getting played enough.
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Now that’s a looker right there!
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^^ Same thing I thought when I saw that picture -- what a damn pretty tuba!
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"Art" from form alone :smilie8: :thumbsup: ...(ie. Holton engraving - with which I'm intimately familiar, and though "STYListic" - isn't really super artistic)...
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Someone needs to BUY that thing... :eyes: :hearteyes:
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