I'd forgotten about those Martin rotary horns! That's a big, fat horn, for sure!arpthark wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:28 pm I think the horizontal slide of the 188 makes a nice counterpart to the horizontal mouthpipe while simultaneously emphasizing the satisfying width of the instrument.
1920s 6/4 top action rotary valve Martin BBb has some nice conical things going for it:
Let's do a thread on ugly tubas next. (Recording bell Besson BBb wins by default, but who would win 2nd place?)
The “Art” of these instruments…
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
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Someone should reach out...
He's great !!!
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
Big York 3 front valve Bb's. A guy in Florida on the old forum had one and it was just gorgeous, I really liked that long top 3rd valve slide as well. Holton 345's are also a great looking horn, very classic.
I really like the Miraphone 191/1291 bodies, particularly that gold brass 191. Looks great sounds great though I'd buy a 1291 Bb instead, 191 ergos are pretty rough on my monkey arms.
I really like the Miraphone 191/1291 bodies, particularly that gold brass 191. Looks great sounds great though I'd buy a 1291 Bb instead, 191 ergos are pretty rough on my monkey arms.
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Just as the St Pete 202 is the Russian/Ukrainian version of a piggy B-flat, the 191 is the Miraphone version of a piggy B-flat.
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
Lignatone Eb. Last I heard, in possession of a gentleman in Minneapolis. Presumably Amati manufacture, and generally conforming to the Cerveny 611. Or whatever the model number would be, I forget. Ergonomics could be faulted, intonation tolerable if not the best ever, sound was good.Grumpikins wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:16 pm It's a little bit of a side step, but I really like this helicon I spotted on the web one day. It just looks more refined than a sousaphone.
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Lignatone Eb. Last I heard, in possession of a gentleman in Minneapolis. Presumably Amati manufacture, and generally conforming to the Cerveny 611. Or whatever the model number would be, I forget. Ergonomics could be faulted, intonation tolerable if not the best ever, sound was good.[/quote]
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King Symphonic BBb circa 1936ish
Pre H.N.White, Cleveland Eb 1924ish (project)
Conn Sousaphone, fiberglass 1960s? (Project)
Olds Baritone 1960s?
King Symphonic BBb circa 1936ish
Pre H.N.White, Cleveland Eb 1924ish (project)
Conn Sousaphone, fiberglass 1960s? (Project)
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Gah...
Was trying to say....someday I want to build a frankensousa in Cc looking something like that. Although...Bb might be a better choice because sousa marches are real knuckle busters on Cc tuba.
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Was trying to say....someday I want to build a frankensousa in Cc looking something like that. Although...Bb might be a better choice because sousa marches are real knuckle busters on Cc tuba.
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King Symphonic BBb circa 1936ish
Pre H.N.White, Cleveland Eb 1924ish (project)
Conn Sousaphone, fiberglass 1960s? (Project)
Olds Baritone 1960s?
King Symphonic BBb circa 1936ish
Pre H.N.White, Cleveland Eb 1924ish (project)
Conn Sousaphone, fiberglass 1960s? (Project)
Olds Baritone 1960s?
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I agree, guys. This is the way to go.
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
If there were any artists in control, I'd expect to see an oval tuba.
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
On the Orsi, which slide is the one that is blocking access to the first valve slide?
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
Looks like the third slide, to me.
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King 2341 with Holton Monster Eb Bell
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Yamaha YBB-103
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
A primary-access #3 slide is pretty good...
(referring to B-flat tuba pitches below)
- avoids the (typically flat) 4th valve C (if tuned for double-low F)...ie. pull out for 1-3
- allows for tuning the (typically flat, compared to the other 2-3 pitches) middle range 2-3 F-sharp
...but - if it's in the way of the first valve slide - there are quite a few things which must typically be forgone.
(referring to B-flat tuba pitches below)
- avoids the (typically flat) 4th valve C (if tuned for double-low F)...ie. pull out for 1-3
- allows for tuning the (typically flat, compared to the other 2-3 pitches) middle range 2-3 F-sharp
...but - if it's in the way of the first valve slide - there are quite a few things which must typically be forgone.
Re: .tuba aesthetics
For me, the old Kalison DS and 2000 models were/are some of the prettiest tubas made. It's the overall proportions, slide layout, piston cluster/arrangement, pull ring on the 1rst slide.
Etc.
The old Marzan slant-rotor tubas are also very attractive to me.
We could then get into small detail aesthetics on tubas. Like thumb rings, pull rings, nubs, braces, ferrules, valve buttons and the like. Also bell engravings
Etc.
The old Marzan slant-rotor tubas are also very attractive to me.
We could then get into small detail aesthetics on tubas. Like thumb rings, pull rings, nubs, braces, ferrules, valve buttons and the like. Also bell engravings
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York 6/4 BBb
Although I no longer own this horn, I still like to show it off. 1920s era York BBb. Originional conditionn.
It was a joy to own and play, but it was not getting played enough.
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Re: The “Art” of these instruments…
"Art" from form alone ...(ie. Holton engraving - with which I'm intimately familiar, and though "STYListic" - isn't really super artistic)...
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