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peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:43 am Why would you need other devices, you can all do that on the tablet

Just out in open!? You rascal, Peter!

Still a sucker for Angry Birds.

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:35 am

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:28 pm Why not just have a midi synthesizer/computer read all the music and play it over some really good speakers?

You are centuries behind on the digital plane.
Every music notation software can do that. I've I remember correctly Sibelius has a conductor mode that slightly changes tempo to make it sound more natural.
Throw in the Vienna sound samples and you have a pretty good sounding orchestra.

... so why don't orchestra office workers just set that up, sell tickets to that and expect people to come listen to that?

bloke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:40 am... so why don't orchestra office workers just set that up, sell tickets to that and expect people to come listen to that?

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:35 am

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:28 pm Why not just have a midi synthesizer/computer read all the music and play it over some really good speakers?

You are centuries behind on the digital plane.
Every music notation software can do that. I've I remember correctly Sibelius has a conductor mode that slightly changes tempo to make it sound more natural.
Throw in the Vienna sound samples and you have a pretty good sounding orchestra.

... so why don't orchestra office workers just set that up, sell tickets to that and expect people to come listen to that?

Most of the recordings that we all download are heavily synthesized samples of groups or individuals playing whereby they went over and over difficult passages until they didn't screw them up, and then pasted them in next to the once or twice recorded easier passages. Today, every college fiddle teacher can play all the concertos as well as Jascha Heifetz - except with better intonation than Heifetz.

Playing off the same piece of sheet music that others have played on for the better part of a century says something, and does something positive to/for the musician. fwiw, I was saddened when the Memphis Symphony got rid of their oak music stands... a complete set of these:
( https://www.ebay.com/itm/395675147470 )

The whole symphony orchestra experience is a wildly expensive and absurdly impractical throwback to another time and another place. I believe quite a few people tend to forget that.

bloke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:40 am

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:35 am

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:28 pm Why not just have a midi synthesizer/computer read all the music and play it over some really good speakers?

You are centuries behind on the digital plane.
Every music notation software can do that. I've I remember correctly Sibelius has a conductor mode that slightly changes tempo to make it sound more natural.
Throw in the Vienna sound samples and you have a pretty good sounding orchestra.

... so why don't orchestra office workers just set that up, sell tickets to that and expect people to come listen to that?

Ask them the next time you play in an orchestra.
They did mind doing this.

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:22 pm

bloke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:40 am

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:35 am

You are centuries behind on the digital plane.
Every music notation software can do that. I've I remember correctly Sibelius has a conductor mode that slightly changes tempo to make it sound more natural.
Throw in the Vienna sound samples and you have a pretty good sounding orchestra.

... so why don't orchestra office workers just set that up, sell tickets to that and expect people to come listen to that?

Ask them the next time you play in an orchestra.
They did mind doing this.

If one of my freeway philharmonics decided to play that, they would just rent the chamber version that only has one trumpet and one trombone, with no horns or no tuba. I have a special mouthpiece for playing that piece, by the way. Let me know if you'd like to buy one.

That would be illegal.
I already have four of your mouthpieces, that suffice.

MiBrassFS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:04 am The real problem I see with tablet and tablet stand usage will be that people won’t have a much larger regular music stand to hide behind and use their other devices to look at Fik Fok videos during rests. So, that’ll be bad.

You need internet connectivity to get to other stuff (and it's not required for the music function, and not necessarily in a lot of tablets) so that is somewhat self limiting . . .

Dup . . .

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:19 pm That would be illegal.
I already have four of your mouthpieces, that suffice.

It's not expensive, and shipping is free.

bloke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:20 pm

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:19 pm That would be illegal.
I already have four of your mouthpieces, that suffice.

It's not expensive, and shipping is free.

Bought an Onyx Boox 13 inch e-reader second-hand for about the same money, go figure.

I have sheet music bought new in the 1940s and a mouthpiece or two bought new in the 1950's.
All of those are still up-and-running.

tadawson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:03 pm I don't directly, but my AirTurn Duo500 pedal can be separated and connected to a switch (anything with a contact closure), and I recall (I think here) someone mentioning using a switch by Flic. (https://flic.io/shop)

Here's what I whipped up on my 3D printer. Using this button thingy:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7BMJ84F


I made it such that it just snaps, fairly tightly, onto my 4th valve slide. The button device itself is attached with double sided foam tape. I'll be using it for the first time tonight in rehearsal, so we will see how it holds up. I have the buttons set (for use with forescore) so that the bottom button advances a page, the top button goes back one page, and the middle button brings up the set list.

Some smaller buttons and more streamlined design and you can start selling these, Great job.

peterbas wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:11 pm Some smaller buttons and more streamlined design and you can start selling these, Great job.

So it worked out great. The guy that sits next to me said, "I am already coveting it" so I am going to make him one, too. I need to come up with a better (more universal) way to mount it.

Looks great.

I can see you now hawking this on The Sharks and them all looking at you funny and saying, "I'll pass on this one."

re: original post (dismissing all the triggered-based replies and subsequent trolling above)

ACTUAL paperless (with this orchestra) are going to be
- programs (QR code)
- tickets
- payroll (direct deposit)

THANKFULLY, the printed music is still the (mostly, vintage printing press engraved) 10X14 paper.

The sort of unwise thing (done this month, for the very last time) was stuffing all of the sheet music in USPS envelopes (which caused the creases that you see).
None of the sheet music - this month - was ever actually mailed, and - for the first time - PDFs were emailed (wise, as - again - mailing is very hard on documents, in addition to being unreliable).

Yet another one of my freeway philharmonics has gone to a thin program listing some key things with a place to scan a QR code for program notes, so they lost the ability to sell ads in a program that have probably been good for half the year (whereby they could have listed half of the season's programs in one and the other half of the seasons programs and another one, and selling ads both times), and also - since no one is going to scan the QR code and try to read some crap on their 6×3 phone - the music director ended up discussing the pieces over a microphone before each piece. This was a classical concert.

This reminds me a good bit of those ice cream cone shaped fluorescent light bulbs from a decade ago and the current boondoggle-ish pursuit of EV trucks (with gigantic hundreds of pounds or even multi-ton batteries and virtually no driving distance range between recharges). In other words, attempts to reach forward to technology for which the time has not yet come.

A lot of halls have screens that will drop down. If the program notes could be projected to a screen that only came down halfway, the notes for each piece could stay up there for 3 to 5 minutes during the beginning of each related piece, and then they could go through the advertisements as well as the list of musicians. That might be an (albeit quite tacky) alternative, but people aren't going to try to use their thumb and index finger and mess around to read crap on their phones during concerts and distract their fellow concert attendees with the lights from their phones - well, unless they're really rude.

I think the benefactors and board and executive director and all that jazz could be stuff that could be projected on the screen before and after the concerts to make up the rest of the pages that are normally found in a thick program. The thing that would be lost would be people taking those programs home and glancing at them again later, which prompts future ticket sales and contributions.

As far as the big sidebar which resulted from a misinterpretation of the original title, musician tablets might be considered viable by me once there were gig-supplied or organization-supplied 17 inch diagonal tablets (whereby - for practical purposes - the price of the very best of these would need to be down as low as $100 or $200 dollars) and the quality of what is seen on the screens were to improve to the quality of actually printing-press printed sheet music. That haven't been said, since this is an over-technologized version of something which is very simple and virtually, there would still be failures due to technology - failures which would disrupt rehearsals and concerts.