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Well, to be basic, God created the ability to make sound. You have 120 years to figure out how He did it. Then by that time, after you figured it out, you'd probably forget why you were wondering about it in the first place, forget why you were searching for that and your time would be up . The next generation could do it, possibly..

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:53 pm

russiantuba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:01 pm

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 1:09 pm
Ahhh, a Bloke-kind-of joke.
I did find the call on expertise rather disturbing, makes me thinking of all the stories I've read about dictatorial conductors.

Don't see the overanalysis, we are only discussing the elementary workings of brass instruments presented by the little latest research.
And the only exception being @Donn, nobody even bothered to read or take a good look at the info presented.
Tech is also a hobby, not solely a profession.

And what about over-analysis in the music, Bach wrote a lot of music but 300 years of analysing his work probably fills a small library.

I see you are using very recently developed types of tuba, so you don't seem to mind advancement here. And rightfully so since it is your profession.

They can make today's microwaves as good and better than your 1988 model, but that would suit today's throw-away economics. It has nothing to do with technical incompetence.

So houses are made for the throw away economy? My house is 125 years old and is doing better than lots of newer builds on build quality. Engineering might be better in design, but construction isn’t! I guess you could say the same about tubas. A certain 6/4 CC made in China apparently has the top engineering behind it, surprising to me all the ones I’ve played are like garbage. Maybe I just need to play a good one. My horns were designed 20+ years ago.

As a professional in music, I seriously don’t care about the physics. A good sound is a good sound. Look at the Phil Farkas book on embouchures. The best players had the worst embouchures.

I guess this only matters when you have robots playing trumpet (check out the YouTube videos).

I was talking about kitchen appliances, why compare that with a house?
Compare a 50 year old and a new one and then you'll see how much construction has evolved.
Do mind you not caring about physics, but then why do you make comments about it which make little to no sense.
Guess you fit in the Bloke category.

I know people with new builds that have structural engineering problems. So, maybe it is build quality?

I think you might be missing my original point about sound and definitely missing my point about this. You mentioned engineering you have to keep up, which is inferring that new engineering is superior or new discoveries are always right. I mentioned about old (and ancient) engineering and manufacturing being reintroduced because it simply worked.

Bringing this back to music, I have been called outdated when I choose no to play a 6/4 foghorn, teach Jacobs style pedagogy, and sound concept. Ironically, a lot of mindset coachings I’ve seen draw from the Jacobs pedagogy and I’ve seen it replace newer modern teachings simply because, it works.

russiantuba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 8:55 pm

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 3:53 pm

russiantuba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 2:01 pm


So houses are made for the throw away economy? My house is 125 years old and is doing better than lots of newer builds on build quality. Engineering might be better in design, but construction isn’t! I guess you could say the same about tubas. A certain 6/4 CC made in China apparently has the top engineering behind it, surprising to me all the ones I’ve played are like garbage. Maybe I just need to play a good one. My horns were designed 20+ years ago.

As a professional in music, I seriously don’t care about the physics. A good sound is a good sound. Look at the Phil Farkas book on embouchures. The best players had the worst embouchures.

I guess this only matters when you have robots playing trumpet (check out the YouTube videos).

I was talking about kitchen appliances, why compare that with a house?
Compare a 50 year old and a new one and then you'll see how much construction has evolved.
Do mind you not caring about physics, but then why do you make comments about it which make little to no sense.
Guess you fit in the Bloke category.

I know people with new builds that have structural engineering problems. So, maybe it is build quality?

I think you might be missing my original point about sound and definitely missing my point about this. You mentioned engineering you have to keep up, which is inferring that new engineering is superior or new discoveries are always right. I mentioned about old (and ancient) engineering and manufacturing being reintroduced because it simply worked.

Bringing this back to music, I have been called outdated when I choose no to play a 6/4 foghorn, teach Jacobs style pedagogy, and sound concept. Ironically, a lot of mindset coachings I’ve seen draw from the Jacobs pedagogy and I’ve seen it replace newer modern teachings simply because, it works.

Off course it is build quality but that doesnt mean that better quality cant be delivered, it is just too expensive in our today economic.
And seeing the construction of the wooden houses wildly build in the US you can't expect them to last more than 100 years.Our houses are build with brick and concrete and they will all last 100 years.
But what mostly is forgotten is that the majority of the old houses are demolished long ago and for the big part only the best of them are still standing.
Houses of 60-70 years are now being renovated by the grandchildren and while structurally sound they fall short on insulation, ventilation...

And you are missing the original question "what makes the sound" meant in a mechanical way.
Sure there is a lot of old engineering still used, or usable but too costly in labor. And what would you buy as a daily driver, a EV from the early 1900s (most sold car then) or a Tesla?

And didn't Jacobs do a lot of physical research to know how the body was actually working?
And still today all around the world your here teachers say "breath support with the diaphragm" which is impossible because the diaphragm only works at inhalation. And they do even have a clue where the diaphragm is actually positioned.

Eutubabone54 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:14 pm Well, to be basic, God created the ability to make sound. You have 120 years to figure out how He did it. Then by that time, after you figured it out, you'd probably forget why you were wondering about it in the first place, forget why you were searching for that and your time would be up . The next generation could do it, possibly..

"Parable of the Talents", in Matthew 25:14–30

peterbas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 1:59 am Off course it is build quality but that doesnt mean that better quality cant be delivered, it is just too expensive in our today economic.
And seeing the construction of the wooden houses wildly build in the US you can't expect them to last more than 100 years.Our houses are build with brick and concrete and they will all last 100 years.
But what mostly is forgotten is that the majority of the old houses are demolished long ago and for the big part only the best of them are still standing.
Houses of 60-70 years are now being renovated by the grandchildren and while structurally sound they fall short on insulation, ventilation...

Sure, it does appear that in terms of the built environment, we can't afford the things our great-grandparents could.

Maybe your houses are built with brick and concrete, but where I was, in Seattle, the predominate residential form uses concrete only in the foundation. The building itself is composite panels attached to wood frame, with flat roofs, little or no eaves. Interior walls are gypsum wallboard. The old houses are also wood framed - but here's where we were cheating, the wood was old growth Douglas fir, dense and resistant. The house that was torn down next door, built maybe 30 years later, had better quality construction and was still structurally sound, it just was an ordinary house that had been duplexed for 2 families and not real carefully maintained, on a lot big enough to cram 5 cheaply built 3-story modern units and charge $600-$700K a decade ago.

Here in Portugal, there are a lot of poorly designed residential structures, I guess because the economy picked up as the country emerged from a rather dark period and builders enthusiastically adopted more modern, less manual labor intensive construction techniques without a solid grasp of what they need to deal with the environmental conditions. Lots of mold, mainly. Some people who have managed to properly restore the very old houses of a century ago, in a way that respects the traditional design principles that evolved over centuries, report that they're exceptionally pleasant to live in. They're also very easy on the eyes, which is something we can't often say of new construction, but ... of course we can't afford the things our great grandparents could in this respect. Tubas either.

Have nodes -and how twists, bore sizes, metal thickness, and dents effect them - been discussed in this thread yet? Since quantum computing is in our near future, I wonder if ai and simulations will be used to create the perfect sounding, feeling, and in-tune tuba that looks like a cross between Dr Seuss and Picasso trying to illustrate one.

Although I think that would be in the very distant future. I don’t think brass instrument design is high on the list for research by any entity wealthy enough to build such a machine.