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I just about have this tall stack of charts about 95% learned/solid/quick mute insertion choreography/tricky samba rhythms (that show up an octave and a half higher than the previous measure)/etc, etc... all worked out. A few more times through the stack and - hopefully - I'll receive nothing but smiles from my colleagues and the stick-man.

prototype cimbasso mouthpiece report: (with another week's experience)

- The bloke-built F cimbasso sounds MUCH more like a (bass) trombone than with the PREVIOUSLY-HAD-BEEN-USING (somewhat shallow) mouthpiece, with a slightly-less-than-average tuba-size throat that I HAD PREVIOUSLY been using with the cimbasso.

1/8" LESS cup depth and more of a bass trombone-size throat (rather than tuba-size-range throat) do the trick... and (at least for me) the 32.3mm #1 profile rim (which is narrower than I use on various tubas, but wide enough to offer some wonderful "bark" in the contrabass pitch range)..I'm in heaven.

I have a few ledger-lines-above-the-staff G's in this show, and one A-flat just above that (at the tail-end of the show), and I'm able to play through the book, and hit a nice A-flat...even though (at home) I'm not taking an "intermission".

I'll get serious about talking about possibly offering these two models for sale - once I get past this show. (I need the shallow/cimbasso prototype through next weekend.)

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sidebar:
With long-reach-to-the-front-of-the-bell muting (bucket/cup/plunger), difficult-to-manage-with-cimbasso-floor-pegs "in hat" (ie. play into the stand) passages, I'm not wanting to deal with page turns, so I'm going to cut out a piece of thin masonite or pegboard that is 4' x 1', as the most number of pages per chart is four.

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:17 pm

matt g wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:57 pm I’d likely be interested in the BlokeBerg

Selleberg 2

Put me down for one too, Joe.

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:17 pm

matt g wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:57 pm I’d likely be interested in the BlokeBerg

Selleberg 2

I like the "BlokeBerg" name better.

"blokeBerg"

Gotta keep the branding consistent, he's just some bloke after all.

I appreciate the interest very much...

I would like to post some specs here, and also find out if I can get one of them back quickly enough (after a scan) to use in March.

(I was going to push to complete that "B-flat bass trombone 6-valve cimbasso" project by then, but - after looking at Dvorak 7 and Sibelius Vln. trom. 3 parts - it looks like I can easily use the F instrument on those pieces, which would take some pressure off.)

If I can get that one mouthpiece back by then, I'm going to post some specs. and take some orders.
I might (??) advertise the small F/cimbasso mpc. additionally on the facebook cimbasso page, but - otherwise - I'm going to TRY to limit introductory/first-run pricing to subscribers here and/or those who respond to this thread.

thanks !!!

For those of you who will be so generous/helpful as to purchase the "first batch/first run" of these, I really appreciate it.

OK...

'Helleberg 2' style mouthpiece's approximate specs:
(This approximate cup depth/shape is also associated with original per-war Conn Helleberg, Conn 7B, Conn 2, 30H, etc.)
> cup diameter/embouchure opening: approx. *32.6mm
> rim contour: Sellmansberger #2
> cup depth: approx. 32.7mm (different people interpret the beginning of the "throat" at different points)
> throat opening size: approx. 8.5mm (exit bore is also large)
> shank sizes to be offered:
- standard
- euro (large)

shallow bowl cup cimbasso/small F or E-flat tuba mouthpiece's approximate specs:
> cup diameter/embouchure opening: approx. *32.3mm
> rim contour: Sellmansberger #2
> cup depth: approx. 27mm (different people interpret the beginning of the "throat" at different points)
> throat opening size: approx. 7mm
> shank sizes to be offered:
- standard
- small (ie. old British/bass trombone/etc.)

exterior shape: (both)
somewhat similar to the TWO-PIECE (silver plated brass with stainless steel rim) model which is currently offered

options:
none, other than the two shank sizes specifically listed under each one
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*These rim openings may tend to feel slightly wider to some players accustomed to other rim contours, as the interior turn is NOT "cookie-cutter sharp, plus the rim itself is not wide. The idea with this particular rim contour is to not feel a sharp interior edge against the face.

INTRODUCTORY PRICING: $150 per mouthpiece, including rubber mouthpiece cover, and tuba slide tubing-sized pencil K&M pencil holder
INTRODUCTORY ORDER DEPOSIT: $75 (or payment in full is acceptable)
PAYMENT #2 PRIOR TO DELIVERY: $75 + $11 postage (for one or two mouthpieces)
TRIALS: no trials available / keep and use or consider offering for sale "used"

SECOND RUN AND SUBSEQUENT PRICING: $200 per mouthpiece, including rubber mouthpiece cover.
TRIALS: one week trial, returns accepted if no scuffs nor scratches

POSTAGE: $11 insured (for one or two mouthpieces)

Please send me a private message or email, to place an order.
Thank-you in advance - so very much - for your first-run/no-return-option orders.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT DOWN THE DEPOSIT OR PAY IN FULL,
YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT:

joesellmansberger@gmail.com

along with your
- NAME
- COMPLETE MAILING ADDRESS
- PREFERRED EMAIL (IF DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU USE TO INITIALLY MAKE CONTACT)
- WHICH MOUTHPIECE(S) IN WHICH SHANK SIZE(S) YOU'RE ORDERING

OUR CREDIT CARD PROCESSOR WILL EMAIL YOU A SECURE LINK TO PAY, AND - ONCE PAID (IN FULL OR DEPOSIT) - I'LL EMAIL YOU A SCAN OF OUR PAPER INVOICE/RECEIPT.

OUR COMPANY IS MID-SOUTH MUSIC, INC. (since 1979)

Thanks for all the orders, thus far.

I'm not billing anyone until we're at least past the scan and set up stage.

fewer orders for the shallow up / small throat, but as expected...

If you have a small and small-shank E-flat (as Mr. Groovlow coined the phrase) "parlor tuba", the shallow/small throat/small shank one is probably something that would play it very well.

' sorry about "bloke being sick" slow-work/slow-to-get-things-done delays...

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This very next week, prototypes will be created and (99.99% chance) approved.

At that time, I'll start billing people for 50% of the mouthpiece(s) cost.

One or two of you nice folks already actually just send money and paid in full.
(very generous...thanks...and this has helped with cash flow, because there have already been costs incurred - relating to this project.)

If anyone would just like to pay in full on the front end - and be done with paying...
...just send me a note (email preferred) joesellmansberger...gmail

I can also still easily accept add-on/additional first-batch orders, at this time.

carnival-barking the smaller of the two mouthpieces:
If you own a jinbao cimbasso or other cimbasso (F/E-flat) you might REALLY LIKE the cimbasso mouthpiece.
It's enough shallower than my "Solo" cup to notice...not "crazy shallow", but NOTICEABLY shallower, and the throat size is down in the 7.Xmm range.
The embouchure opening is NOT "tiny": 32.3mm
Again, that mouthpiece should also be a winner for "parlor tubas" (quite-a-few-decades-old small-bore/small-size E-flat tubas with small shank receivers). This "cimbasso" mouthpiece (to be redundant) is being offered in SMALL (bass trombone) shank and STANDARD (American) shank.

FOR THOSE FOR WHOM I'VE RESERVED MOUTHPIECES...

It probably seems as though things are moving really slowly, but ONE EACH of the manufactured versions of the two basic styles are ON THEIR WAY TO ME (to make certain that they're right, before running off a bunch of them). Part of the delay (other than the machine shop getting around to my project, in their queue) was the plating...(I'd like to test them for more than a couple of minutes each, without ending up with green lips, so they were plated).

I have ALL of your names and specifically what EACH of your requested.

manufactured prototypes arrived for my approval, prior to pulling the production trigger:

The production sample/prototype on the left is the HbII style (with a standard shank and also available with a euro shank) and the one on the right is the really shallow/small throat one (yet still "TUBA") with an English/small/bass'bone size shank (and also available with a standard shank).

Thanks for the reminder.

It's Crown Royal day!

Three Valves wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:24 pm Thanks for the reminder.

It's Crown Royal day!

Just so you guys know, I'm sending my prototypes and the production samples back with some comments. They are almost right, and they will be just right.

So far, the Helleberg mouthpiece plays just as well as my prototype but slightly different, and the shallow one just isn't meeting the mark yet. It will.

' trying to decide on names, once the production samples are dialed in and bloke-approved...

Either let me know that you like these silly names or suggest better ones:

deeper one: Sellmansberg II (to be offered in standard and euro shank sizes)

shallower one: Shallowberger (to be offered in small and standard shank sizes)

Deeper one: DC II (double cheeseberger II), going with "affected" spelling

bloke wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 10:41 am ' trying to decide on names, once the production samples are dialed in and bloke-approved...

Either let me know that you like these silly names or suggest better ones:

deeper one: Sellmansberg II (to be offered in standard and euro shank sizes)

shallower one: Shallowberger (to be offered in small and standard shank sizes)

Sellmansberg II is good.

Shallowberger is a bit on-the-nose. How about something exuding characteristic Southern charm, like "Li'l Feller"?

Sellmansbarker?

Sellmansblatter?

Cimbassoberger?

I got nothin'.

Amouthpiecethatyoumightlikeifyouhaveasmallerinstrumentthatissmallerboreoracimbasso

"I might have to increase the cup size..."

Smallerberger

for the smaller one:
sellboysberger
sellmanslider
soldmansberger

maybe just "slider" as that's a small burger? And somewhat ironically, it's for a trombone without a slide?