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Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:55 pm**

“2nd tenor” wrote:I’m interested to know if the threads in Piston Valves are standardised.

Absolutely not. Every manufacturer had/has their own thread and pitch, some rather odd, like Holton (6-40). European ones are usually metric.

However, anything can easily be adapted/re-threaded by a competent tech.

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:59 pm**

“bort2.0” wrote:Typically not worth it... and often vehemently discouraged by repair-people:
* Adding a valve
* Straight-up relacquering

Both extremely time consuming jobs - more than likely, not worth it for the tech than for the customer.

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:24 pm**

I PARTIALLY re-lacquer SOME tubas (which I might offer for sale...or (rare reluctant selected occasions) for repair.
IF I do the whole nine yards, it's ONLY for me...I can't charge enough to do it for someone else, and - if not perfect - they might expect me to do it over...and...well...nope.
I might (??) eventually re-lacquer my F tuba.
IF I'm satisfied with my own buffing job, though, I'll probably gingerly lay it in the back seat (on some VERY soft cloth) and drive it hundreds of miles to have EPOXY lacquer sprayed on it.

If I'm at loose ends in the winter (rare) someone might coax me into a lacquer job on a trumpet or trombone...but - if too many gigs, or too many repairs, I need to politely beg off.

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:43 pm**

peterbas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:06 pm
KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:42 pm Maybe next the great Dutch Tuba Czar will give a lecture about tone rings...remember, there's "paper" stats and there's "real world". Oh and paper tigers
There is the real world and some people live in a fantasy world.
Ohh, it is rather a big insult calling a Belgian Dutch. A lot of wars have almost started because of this.

Interesting, never heard of any wars almost starting because of that. I've heard of Germans invading countries back when that caused wars, then again Germans might be offended if you asked them if they were from Dutchland.

Posted: **Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:56 pm**

peterbas wrote:Have you seen research regarding tubas?
That the ratios between trumpet and tuba are different is quiet obvious but probably the principal stays the same.

Fred Young noted this years ago—the dimensionless ratios are quite different. But then a mouthpiece two inches in diameter would be a challenge. And a 1.6” bore might take a bit of air.

Rick “who can put edge in the sound on a plastic tuba just the same as a brass tuba, so the brass doesn’t contribute much to the high-frequency sibilance” Denney

Posted: **Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:39 am**

Posted: **Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:36 am**

peterbas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:39 am
KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:43 pm
peterbas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:06 pm

There is the real world and some people live in a fantasy world.
Ohh, it is rather a big insult calling a Belgian Dutch. A lot of wars have almost started because of this.
Interesting, never heard of any wars almost starting because of that. I've heard of Germans invading countries back when that caused wars, then again Germans might be offended if you asked them if they were from Dutchland.
They would not since Dutchland just means land of the people speaking dutch/diets/deutsch.
The problem are those stupid English people, they are the only ones who call the people of the Netherlands the Dutch.

Well, that IS the langauge in the Netherlands...they aren't wrong technically.

Posted: **Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:37 am**

Sorry, we meant "Holland"

But for real, can you help? My understanding is that people in the Netherlands use these words:

The country where they live: Nederland (or, The Netherlands)
The language they speak: Nederlands
The citizens are called: Nederlanders

And that there are provinces of "North Holland" and "South Holland", but none of the Nederlanders would call their entire country "Holland"

And old country with a lot of history, a lot of separate and old groups of people... and I'm sure there are more names for things than this, but I'd at least like to sound like an educated person when I talk about the country. And at the very least, not refer to the country of Amsterdam (which yes, I've heard people say before).

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:21 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:43 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:45 pm**

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:21 pm
KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:36 am
peterbas wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:39 am

They would not since Dutchland just means land of the people speaking dutch/diets/deutsch.
The problem are those stupid English people, they are the only ones who call the people of the Netherlands the Dutch.
Well, that IS the langauge in the Netherlands...they aren't wrong technically.
It is not.
Dutch is like old English and old German, a forerunner of the dutch (Nederlands) language spoken now. The three of them being cousins of each other but are so different from the languages we speak now that we wouldn't understand it.
Dutchland is mostly used to as the area where historical the same language was spoken around the 16 and 17th century. Being current Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, part of northern France and part of Western Germany.
But you need to be a historian to really being able to explain it properly.

So what do they speak now if not for Dutch?

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:26 pm**

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:52 pm**

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:43 pm
But those people living in the southern part also call the northerns "Hollanders" with a more political meaning and not to been taken in a good way.

I love tidbits like that, thanks!!

I hope it's a term like carpetbaggers or rednecks is over here in the USA.

Posted: **Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:16 pm**

Three Valves - edited wrote:
peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:43 pm
But those people living in the southern part also call the northerns "Hollanders" with a more political meaning and not to been taken in a good way.

I love tidbits like that, thanks!!

I hope it's a term like carpetbaggers or rednecks scalawags is over here in the USA.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:21 am**

Let's chime in from the north of the Netherlands (Not the north of Holland)

I don't like being called a Hollander. I also would never say I live in Holland. That is for the Westerlingen (people living in the province Nort Holland and South Holland).
I also would like to say that they are lovely people, specially when they live in their cities.

Greetings from Drenthe

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:30 am**

...and (to the main topic, as well as to the topic to which the thread has strayed) I don't like being called a "tuba tech", ...*

I repair instruments, including tubas. I don't have an overseer who has assigned me to the "Tuba Dept". I don't need a label, and I certainly would be offended by being referred to in some union-hierarchy/socialist jargon such as "apprentice", "journeyman", or "master". I am NOT part of some "guild" and do not claim to be at any particular "level".

Further, "restorations" are nothing more than more extensive and pickier REPAIRS.

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*...any more than I like paying for a bunch of European countries "defense" (countries that openly trade with countries that my taxes - supposedly - pay to "defend" those countries against)...
...and my great suspicion is that the natives of those countries really do NOT like my country's gov't shoving its "defenses" down their throats, either, and would prefer to furnish their own and not have their own gov'ts do my gov't's bidding for that so-called "defense". As I recall, a man named Eisenhower had something to say about some sort of "military-industrial complex".

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:48 am**

peterbas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:26 pm "Nederlands" like already stated, there just is no english word for it.

Oh yes there is. For example, refer to Google's Translate service, http://translate.google.com. They naturally offer to translate to or from what I take to be the official language of the Netherlands, and of course they offer that service by its English name.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:01 pm**

Yorkboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:55 pm
“2nd tenor” wrote:I’m interested to know if the threads in Piston Valves are standardised.
Absolutely not. Every manufacturer had/has their own thread and pitch, some rather odd, like Holton (6-40). European ones are usually metric.

However, anything can easily be adapted/re-threaded by a competent tech.

Indeed. You have to have a relationship with a metal lathe or a friend who has one. Simple stuff can be made quickly.

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