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I've refilled my black ink cartridges with India ink...
Until they ACTUALLY start getting worn (maybe a dozen or more refillings), they work great.

...but (again) actually publisher PRINTED (not printer-printed) music is the best and LARGER THAN 8-1/2 x 11.


bloke "so why not play one of those plastic tubas? They have four valves and play all the notes...??" (etc.)

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Yeah, you showed me one for double what I was willing to pay that's offered for sale by a shade tree Chinese place. There is still the problem of them falling and breaking, vs. the sheet music - which is very unlikely to break when it falls, along with the light coming from behind the music - rather than shining on the music. They're just not good, unless somebody's willing to put up with a bunch of crap and pay a bunch of money.

"They will store an entire library of sheet music."
I just am not able to build up my playing endurance to that level.

A lot of people put up with a lot of crap. Look at the sorts of rulers that a whole bunch of American cities and states - and virtually all European countries - allow to rise to power...
... and again, the electric car thing. Why not an electric dinner fork?

peterbas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:40 am

Rick Denney wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:19 pm

peterbas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:38 pm I don't see any difference, if it falls bell down = bell will be smashed.

Would it be any better in a gig bag?

Rick “again: it’s not a flight case” Denney

It would be 10 kg lighter and 500 dollars cheaper.

My last gig bags were nearly the same price as Thomann is showing for this case.

But, yes, it’s lighter. On the other hand, it has to be because it doesn’t have wheels.

Rick “has never gotten so many dents as with light and cheap gig bags” Denney

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bone-a-phone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:53 pm

I love the idea of letting go of the printer, but you've got to have a scanner, and not just one for individual sheets, but also books and large format stuff. I love the idea of never losing a sheet of paper or getting them out of order, but can you imagine the tech support of showing (guys older than me) how to run a piece of technology like that?

Scanner? The apps like forScore let you scan using the camera built into the device. When a new piece of music appears on the stand I scan it, add it, then stick it back in the band's folder that stays in the milk crate in the rehearsal room. If you can take a picture, you can scan.

Quit squabbling.

travisd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:26 am
Scanner? The apps like forScore let you scan using the camera built into the device. When a new piece of music appears on the stand I scan it, add it, then stick it back in the band's folder that stays in the milk crate in the rehearsal room. If you can take a picture, you can scan.

Well, I'll tell you what. When I walk into my next church job where a choir director hands out wavy out of focus photos on an undersized tablet, I'll just turn around and go home. Technology is great, but it has to develop to a certain threshold. If you want to put up with that kind of thing for your own use, that's one thing. But the tech is not yet ready for professional prime-time.

How about that PDF recognition stuff on Musescore?

My feshunul friends who use tablets have all of the printed music under their chairs.

I could see a pro-tablet argument for outdoor use with a breeze or a wind, but ANY stand can be blown over.
Some of you think that your fatter-gauge bases will defeat a 10 or 15 mph wind, but not in my experience, and that includes non-collapsible "indoor"-style stands, and your solid decks - or even your decks (on your - then - not-as-portable stands) with some 1-inch holes in them - are still far more likely to be blown over then wire, because (well, duh) they catch more wind. (...and please don't lay any physicist stuff on me, I base "what I view as truth" on consistent experience - ie. My OWN countless dozens of "scientific experiments", and not on tricky "but what if" thought-to-be math problems.) About the only way to prevent any stand from being blown over is to put two of the three stand feet towards the wind, and anchor them with (two) full-size cinder blocks, but I've actually seen this be defeated as well.

I wouldn't give a crap if the orchestra's tablet hit the ground, but I wouldn't want mine hitting the ground.

To summarize, any outdoor gig - where there are ANY sorts of music stands and ANY sort of wind - is to define that gig as ridiculous/comical, and nearly 100% likely to feature incidents.

Can't we just do an electronic version of a stand?

Maybe a hologram, with the music already projected?

arpthark wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:04 pm Can't we just do an electronic version of a stand?

Maybe a hologram, with the music already projected?

I have often imagined some of those weird electronic goggles whereby people see an alternate form of the universe and wander around, sometimes injuring themselves, but what if the sheet music staves floated by as they do on YouTube videos, kept in sync by listening to what the sound input, and there also being a camera so that - behind the moving staves - the conductor could be seen. It wouldn't be a very patron-friendly visage, would it?

This is actually something that I've thought of, and I just put it out there so that people don't think that I'm someone who always tries to reach back to the Stone Age.

bloke "Believe it or not, I've actually listened to and made digital recordings, and have been on the internet. "

bloke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:07 pm
I have often imagined some of those weird electronic goggles

forScore has an app for the new Vision Pro. It looks incredible.

König & Meyer KM101

- powder-coated black or chrome

- 2 lbs. 5 oz.

- collapses to 14.5 inches by (wider end) 2 inches by 1.5 inches

- extends to a tall enough height for a somewhat tall (6 feet tall...) person to stand, play, and have the sheet music at a comfortable height.

- tripod base is adjustable to any footprint...I've even (though precarious) set mine up on a (bad choir situation) stair step immediately in front of me, with the feet pulled in to accommodate the stair width.

- each extension has a stop inside, so that it cannot come apart into pieces (annoying, and could possibly otherwise cause damage) during assembly

- desk is rectangular, not a "fan", and an extension arm is located in both of the top corners, which can serve in any of these ways
>> desk reinforcement
>> wind clips
>> height extension
>> width extension

- as most tuba players use bags (vs. cases) these easily fit within the upscale bags' side pockets

- desk can be tilted to various angles, including downward - so as to be used as a conductor's stand

- steel (not plastic) construction

- velcro closure carry bag available as an accessory

NEGATIVE: probably a bad idea to set a bulging folder (ex: with a hundred charts in it) on this stand, but (me?) regardless of a stand's bulk/weight, I always pull the charts ahead of time, place them on (whatever) stand) and the folder is stored underneath my chair.


My primary one is the powder-coated black. This chrome one stays in Mrs. bloke's vehicle.





> I have one or two "junky" (fan-shaped) portable stands that I keep in my car as emergency loaners, but I only personally use a KM101.

> Plastic-collapsible, non-collapsible desk, fan-shaped "wire" stands, etc...If y'all love 'em, I'm glad you got 'em...I'm glad they ain't mine.

> I never seem to be able to remember "bring a stand" instructions. Therefore, these are ALWAYS kept in our cars. As shown above, in the cars they take up little more space than those ultra-collapsible umbrellas.

Desk screw gets overly tight or the piece of metal piece connecting the desk gets twisted.
The screws of the extensions make dents, make so they are almost impossible to slide up or down.

Very cheap and bad design in total contrast with "German quality engineering."

My main requirement for a travel rehearsal/gig stand is "Can it support a pint of beer (in a proper glass pint) and a bottle of water along with my music?" I don't like having to bend over with a sousaphone to pick up my beverage up off the ground between charts.

peterbas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:08 pm Desk screw gets overly tight or the piece of metal piece connecting the desk gets twisted.
The screws of the extensions make dents, make so they are almost impossible to slide up or down.

Very cheap and bad design in total contrast with "German quality engineering."

all false...so you're trolling, yes?

gocsick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:58 pm My main requirement for a travel rehearsal/gig stand is "Can it support a pint of beer (in a proper glass pint) and a bottle of water along with my music?" I don't like having to bend over with a sousaphone to pick up my beverage up off the ground between charts.

sorta stupid-high priced for what it is, but so are beer and bottled water.


https://www.peakmusicstands.com/peak-in ... tist-model


It looks as if it would clamp onto a KM101...

Mary Ann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:34 am Kind of a silly topic -- but I have a Peak stand and find it enough bother to set up and take down that I end up taking a Manhasset. Also the Peak's legs are not conducive to putting your foot on to hold it down if you are outside in the wind.
So is this Hamilton any better? I like that the legs are at an angle much more like the Manhasset. I don't want a stand with holes in the desk because that can look funny on stage.
https://www.dillonmusic.com/hamilton-ha ... d=15438028

I have the older Hamilton with that same steel deck (looks like it, anyway, and mine is fixed-angle). The rolled deck edges preclude use of the flyout extenders that fit the Manhassets, and clothespins don't fit as well, but the steel allows magnets for music hold-down.
I prefer the Voyager because it's lighter than the Hamilton and has an angle-adjustable deck. It's also easier & quicker to height-adjust than the Hamilton (newer model might have resolved that).
I picked up one of the inexpensive Vekkia stands because it stands taller than the other two (was an important feature before my cataract surgery) and has a breakdown deck for smaller carry. The tripod is heavy, though, and the deck has the thick rolled edge.
When I get around to it, I'm gonna adapt the Vekkia deck to the Voyager stand for an overall lighter, smaller package that still gives me a sturdy, full-size, adjustable deck (with the wire music hold downs, to boot).
My wife uses a Peak, btw, but only when she can't take a regular, fixed-feet Manhasset - I think because she's more of a 'get on with it' personality, and dislikes adding music-stand-assembly to her list of impediments.

I have a standard Manhasset at home where I practice, and I have all the accessories that you can buy for it, including extenders, the thing that goes underneath to set crap on (pencils, oil, etc.), and things you can bolt to it to hold metronomes and tuners and such. It even has the slip-on feet to protect the wood floor. I would never unload all the stuff off that nice sturdy Manhasset stand to throw it in the back of the car and haul it off to a job particular when to have a little 14-inch music stand folded up on the floor of the back seat of the car all the time.