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That's not the way stuff works man, you're asking a LOT from humanity at that point. I don't even think most people buying a tuba for their high schooler or grad even know or care 4/4, 5/4, or 6/4.Shouldn´t everybody known when buying a secondhand car to check the compression, all you need to known is one number and it needs to be the same for every cylinder.
Isn´t this the time of smartphones, youtube... If you want to invest a little time you find a video of how to do a compression test and where to buy the cheapest gauge on youtube.KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:50 pmThat's not the way stuff works man, you're asking a LOT from humanity at that point. I don't even think most people buying a tuba for their high schooler or grad even know or care 4/4, 5/4, or 6/4.Shouldn´t everybody known when buying a secondhand car to check the compression, all you need to known is one number and it needs to be the same for every cylinder.
They just aren't interested in getting that far into something they consider either a hobby or routine maintenance. Perhaps lazy, but that's a lot of unnecessary emotional investment for most people believe it or not.peterbas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:19 pmIsn´t this the time of smartphones, youtube... If you want to invest a little time you find a video of how to do a compression test and where to buy the cheapest gauge on youtube.KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:50 pmThat's not the way stuff works man, you're asking a LOT from humanity at that point. I don't even think most people buying a tuba for their high schooler or grad even know or care 4/4, 5/4, or 6/4.Shouldn´t everybody known when buying a secondhand car to check the compression, all you need to known is one number and it needs to be the same for every cylinder.
It´s just laziness and I see that everywhere, at work or on other fora where it is scary how little effort people want to invest in some knowledge.
If I was to spend 5000 dollar and think I could miss an episode of wheel of fortune or reality soap.KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:22 pmThey just aren't interested in getting that far into something they consider either a hobby or routine maintenance. Perhaps lazy, but that's a lot of unnecessary emotional investment for most people believe it or not.peterbas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:19 pmIsn´t this the time of smartphones, youtube... If you want to invest a little time you find a video of how to do a compression test and where to buy the cheapest gauge on youtube.KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:50 pm
That's not the way stuff works man, you're asking a LOT from humanity at that point. I don't even think most people buying a tuba for their high schooler or grad even know or care 4/4, 5/4, or 6/4.
It´s just laziness and I see that everywhere, at work or on other fora where it is scary how little effort people want to invest in some knowledge.
Yeah, that's unfortunately not how the average American consumer thinks.If I was to spend 5000 dollar and think I could miss an episode of wheel of fortune or reality soap.
This!tclements wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:54 am WARNING! HIGHLY OPINIONATED OPINION FOLLOWING:
This sizing thing is just a bowl of baloney. This was a phony construct invented buy a long gone tuba retailer in the 1970s. This was an attempt to define the undefinable, and as a marketing ploy at the start of the "mine's bigger" movement. The first "designation" was devised to delineate on what was a 'full sized' tuba, along the lines of stringed instrument designation. To clarify the difference, say, between a Mirafone 186 and a student model like the small King or Olds. The current designations arose through comparison to the 4/4s. Rudolph Meinl makes what is called a 3/4. This is ABOUT the size of normal 4/4 tubas, but is quite a bit larger than say a Yamaha 103. Alexander 163 is larger than the Mirafone 186, but are both considered 4/4s. Mirafone's 185 is smaller than the Rudy 3/4, but is considered a 3/4. Mirafone's 184 is considered a 1/2 size, but is bigger than most student 3/4s. Let's look at the other end. Rudy Meinl's 5/4 CC, Willson 3050RZ, and MW Tuono are all large .835 bore tubas, but are considered 5/4 and are VERY large tubas, larger than the 6/4 .750 bore CC BATs. What would be the designation for the Mirafone 190, the large Rudy BBb, and the Wexxes Kaiser, 7/4? Or would they be 5/4s, as the last branch is quite a bit smaller than the 6/4 BATs?
I suggest this designation: small, medium, large, BAT.
Respectfully submitted,
Kirley wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:24 am It feels like home!
Anybody else getting that sentimental feeling that things are "back to normal".
You know, like how we all used to yell at each other around the dinner table.
And by "dinner table" I mean TubeNet.
Can't wait for the piston v. rotary thread!
With examplepeterbas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:01 pmhttps://www.artim.at/?page_id=8&sprache=2
My "Medium" King is "Larger" than a "BAT" but not quite a "Large" tuba. Numbering systems always work better. And all airline pilots across the globe must speak English because it's the Universally agreed upon language in Aviation communications. The chaos on Runways at large international airports would be just like this thread if everyone decided what's best for them.pjv wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:14 amThis!tclements wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:54 am WARNING! HIGHLY OPINIONATED OPINION FOLLOWING:
This sizing thing is just a bowl of baloney. This was a phony construct invented buy a long gone tuba retailer in the 1970s. This was an attempt to define the undefinable, and as a marketing ploy at the start of the "mine's bigger" movement. The first "designation" was devised to delineate on what was a 'full sized' tuba, along the lines of stringed instrument designation. To clarify the difference, say, between a Mirafone 186 and a student model like the small King or Olds. The current designations arose through comparison to the 4/4s. Rudolph Meinl makes what is called a 3/4. This is ABOUT the size of normal 4/4 tubas, but is quite a bit larger than say a Yamaha 103. Alexander 163 is larger than the Mirafone 186, but are both considered 4/4s. Mirafone's 185 is smaller than the Rudy 3/4, but is considered a 3/4. Mirafone's 184 is considered a 1/2 size, but is bigger than most student 3/4s. Let's look at the other end. Rudy Meinl's 5/4 CC, Willson 3050RZ, and MW Tuono are all large .835 bore tubas, but are considered 5/4 and are VERY large tubas, larger than the 6/4 .750 bore CC BATs. What would be the designation for the Mirafone 190, the large Rudy BBb, and the Wexxes Kaiser, 7/4? Or would they be 5/4s, as the last branch is quite a bit smaller than the 6/4 BATs?
I suggest this designation: small, medium, large, BAT.
Respectfully submitted,
ps "small, medium, large, BAT"(BART) yeah, that's what I meant with the 34/, 4/4. 5/4, 6/4.
A VERY general way to classify a tuba so that one more or less know what your talking about.
