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I've never seen this model before. Straight out of the Jinbao factory?



Maybe it's for lefties too

Facebook is getting good at these ads...

It's the same thing as the Eastman copy of the King 2341, yeah the ad is reversed. They play decent.

That model was previously retailed by Wessex and others years ago.

It was dropped.

The Eastman is a much more finely executed copy, maybe better ??? than the original. At least it seems lighter and the valves quicker...

Is this sold by any of the importers anymore? I havent seen it before.

LargeTuba wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:39 am Is this sold by any of the importers anymore? I havent seen it before.

Just Eastman officially I guess. https://www.eastmanwinds.com/ebb534 I (still) prefer the older detachable bell versions but wouldn't be opposed to at least "trying" out a detachable bell model should the "East" men build one in the future with the correct .687'' bore and all the specs were right. Not this Monster E flat bell copy.

Three Valves wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am That model was previously retailed by Wessex and others years ago.

It was dropped.

The Eastman is a much more finely executed copy, maybe better ??? than the original. At least it seems lighter and the valves quicker...

It has that pesky 4th valve though.

Assuming the numbers mean what I'd expect them to mean, Dillon got a couple of these in a few months back. https://www.dillonmusic.com/dillon-2341-bbb-tuba/ Looks like there's just one left.

Casca Grossa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:35 am

Three Valves wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am That model was previously retailed by Wessex and others years ago.

It was dropped.

The Eastman is a much more finely executed copy, maybe better ??? than the original. At least it seems lighter and the valves quicker...

It has that pesky 4th valve though.

What was pesky about it?

The best valves and slides will be found on some 50-year-old lightly-used H.N. White-era King...

...but I believe I'm stating the obvious, here, so...

Actually 56+ years now since the Eastlake plant started. Hard to believe. Wonder if all the Cleveland horns can now be considered "Antique" instead of "Vintage"?

KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:58 am

Casca Grossa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:35 am

Three Valves wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am That model was previously retailed by Wessex and others years ago.

It was dropped.

The Eastman is a much more finely executed copy, maybe better ??? than the original. At least it seems lighter and the valves quicker...

It has that pesky 4th valve though.

What was pesky about it?

Probably the knuckle after the 4th valve that collects so much water, and there isn't a water key there. You either have to remove a slide to get the water out, or dump it back through the leadpipe (that my preferred method)

Another interesting note is that I saw the BMB 6/4 CC for sale on the same website.



I asked and it would be about 4,400 including shipping, AND they said they might ditch the dependant valve in favor of a independent valve. AANNDD they said they would put my name on the bell... This is super pretty dang cool

KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:12 am Actually 56+ years now since the Eastlake plant started. Hard to believe. Wonder if all the Cleveland horns can now be considered "Antique" instead of "Vintage"?

Vintage really only means the timeframe of creation. For example, there could be a “2019 Vintage King 2341”. It’s often used to imply an item is an antique, but that’s not necessarily always the case.

Regardless, Cleveland horns would certainly be antiques.

(Slightly off-topic, yet on topic in regards to Jinbao...half topic?)

Only Jinbao instrument I had was an alto trombone (this was about 15 years ago, so a lot has changing in the manufacturing quality since then). It was a knock-off of the K&H Slokar. Tone was actually pretty nice, but the pitch was a tad squirrely. Replaced the leadpipe with a Slokar pipe and it was actually a decent horn.

handy tip:
to "y'all amatours" from "we 'fesshunulz"...

Just finger all C's/F's 1-3 and all B's-E's 1-2-3, and #4 circuit - on a King - will never collect water...or - if it does - you won't care.

bloke "taking yet another poke at elitism"

matt g wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:51 am

KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:12 am Actually 56+ years now since the Eastlake plant started. Hard to believe. Wonder if all the Cleveland horns can now be considered "Antique" instead of "Vintage"?

Vintage really only means the timeframe of creation. For example, there could be a “2019 Vintage King 2341”. It’s often used to imply an item is an antique, but that’s not necessarily always the case.

Regardless, Cleveland horns would certainly be antiques.

It also means,(and anyone who is an antique collector or in the "vintage" automobile circuit would disagree for classification purposes). The word "Vintage" in professional classification and auction sales circles actually means roughly 40 years or older but not more than 100 years. Also the word "Retro" or Retroactive would be items anywhere from the recent past but not yet "Vintage". By definition, Cleveland horns are still technically "Vintage" in word only still and quickly moving to Antique.

bloke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:59 am handy tip:
to "y'all amatours" from "we 'fesshunulz"...

Just finger all C's/F's 1-3 and all B's-E's 1-2-3, and #4 circuit - on a King - will never collect water...or - if it does - you won't care.

bloke "taking yet another poke at elitism"

I think it took about 30 minutes to install the water key on the lower-inner loop of the 4th valve slide on my horn, worthy investment. Also while the horn is on it's bell, I get water coming out of all 3 top pulled slides when I dump between tunes.

If you want to avoid those 4th valve problems: https://www.1800usaband.com/products/view/6377

yeah...on my 2341 valveset (on my stubby Holton) I'll be putting one (and a real one...not some push-button or drippy one) there.

I feel certain that water key nipple "bore distortion" is going to enhance desirable overtones, when playing all of the legion double-low D-flats at all of my numerous "I-should-take-this-B-flat-tuba" shutdown-era gigs...

All of that having been said...
Were I desirous of building a franken-C tuba with a 3/4"-bore 4-piston/front-action set-up (and I'm not, because I have an instrument like that with which I'm completely delighted), the JP valveset is the only Chinese one I would personally consider.

bloke "just sayin' "

KingTuba1241X wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:58 am

Casca Grossa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:35 am

Three Valves wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am That model was previously retailed by Wessex and others years ago.

It was dropped.

The Eastman is a much more finely executed copy, maybe better ??? than the original. At least it seems lighter and the valves quicker...

It has that pesky 4th valve though.

What was pesky about it?

See poster who I quoted...