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King Cleveland sousa neck?... help.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:25 pm
by greenbean
I posted this in the WTB area and have not heard a peep. I am really looking for help, so double-posting it here since all the repair mucky-mucks hang out here, right? :bow2:

I have a 1970's King Cleveland sousaphone with a missing neck and bits. This is a small-ish looking sousaphone with a 22" bell, I believe. (I will confirm this.)

The Allied catalog differentiates King sousas made before/after 1985. Mine, having been made before 1985, would use the K191 neck? What do you think?

And the bits will be the usual King bit that fit into each other in no particular order and never really stay together well, despite have been in use for generations, yes? (I really can't understand why on earth...)

Re: King Cleveland sousa neck?... help.

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:16 am
by bloke
I have a new (aftermarket - old style) silver one...bought from Allied.
I figured they will charge you the same for a new one, and silver costs more than lacquer.
Also, It seems as though they plate over the male tenon at Allied, so they fit slightly snugly, for my tastes.

If you don't have an Allied account (and mine is the only one you can find), I'll sell it to you for current cost and free 1st class postage.

Since Allied has ALL of the remaining Olds/Reynolds goosenecks (from prior to 1980), I can't help but WONDER (??) if (since old-style King and Olds/Reynolds are the very same SHAPE) if (besides complete Olds/Reynolds necks) Allied ended up with a whole bunch of Olds/Reynolds tapered tubes (only), and (simply) fitted them with King hardware on both ends (to make "old-style" King necks to sell to folks)...(??)

If (??) someone is like my Dad (who had virtually no [human] neck...his big ol' basketball-lookin' head sat right down on his shoulders) the NEW-STYLE (low-slung) King neck should work out OK with an OLD-style King sousaphone.

EDIT:
OK...possibly (??) I was right in my hunch (or not).
Allied offers the Olds/Reynolds upper mouthpipe TUBE ONLY as A907.
If you happen to have the (destroyed, rather than missing...??) ORIGINAL (old-style) King neck - whereby ONLY the tube is trashed (and all of the other hardware is OK), you could consider purchasing ONLY the A907, and transferring all of your King hardware (receiver, tenon, and brace) over to that new assembly...clearly: saving some money.