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Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:20 pm
by TJTuba
I got my hands on an old Conn 15J tuba that needs a bit of work and at least 1 replacement for a missing valve piston. Seller kind of pulled a fast one on me and now I'm stuck with this thing. I'm at a loss as to where to find/purchase this and I've searched heavily online. I don't really do any instrument repairs expect for mild regular care and maintenance, so this is all new territory for me.

Any help would be appreciated!

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:35 am
by bloke
Aren’t those the same as the first three pistons of the model 5J ?

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:49 pm
by TJTuba
bloke wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:35 am Aren’t those the same as the first three pistons of the model 5J ?
I have no idea. I've never really had to replace any instrument parts before.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:29 pm
by bloke
I've heard that laymen can purchase parts from Conn-Selmer, if they pay full retail for them. (??)

Allied-Supply (a parts reseller that only sells to repair shops, and sells parts for prices in-between wholesale and retail) has the four model 5J pistons (4-valve non-convertable...I believe that 1-2-3 are the same as a 15J...??) in their catalog.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:48 pm
by York-aholic
Us mere mortals can buy parts from Conn Selmer. It ain’t cheap but…

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https://parts.conn-selmer.com/

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:24 pm
by DonO.
Just out of curiosity I took a look at the price list of parts for my new style King 2341. Yep, prices are pretty high but most don’t seem hugely unreasonable. With the exception of one that made me laugh out loud. “King Tuba Case- $1,720.98”.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This case is exactly the same as the MTS case commonly available for $600-$700 except it says “King” on it. Am I right?

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:48 pm
by Tubajug
Which pistons are you missing? All three? I'll have to look, but I think I have some here leftover from a previous project. If I have them, it would be the first and third.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:08 pm
by TJTuba
Tubajug wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:48 pm Which pistons are you missing? All three? I'll have to look, but I think I have some here leftover from a previous project. If I have them, it would be the first and third.
I'm missing the 2nd valve piston and assembly.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:17 pm
by Tubajug
TJTuba wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:08 pm
Tubajug wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:48 pm Which pistons are you missing? All three? I'll have to look, but I think I have some here leftover from a previous project. If I have them, it would be the first and third.
I'm missing the 2nd valve piston and assembly.
Rats, sorry! I used the second valve as a 4th valve on a project horn.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:38 am
by DanMax
If the 15J's valve cluster is the same as the 12J's--which I heard somewhere was the previous version, replaced by the 15J--I may be able to help you out.

I'm attempting to have a working 12J pieced together from two junker 12J's. Yeah, I know. :)

I will wind up with an extra valve cluster. All three casings, all three pistons, all etc.

A working valve cluster, with good compression? Too early to say, but quite possibly.

I'll know before too long.

Happy new year to anyone who could use one.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:57 am
by DanMax
Prediction: 45 well informed people will now weigh in on the subtle differences between 12J and 15J valve clusters.

15 votes for "12J valves in a 15J would obviously never work."
15 votes for "15J and 12J valves are exactly the same."
15 votes for "12J valves in a 15J would be a step up/down."

Edjumicate me, for I am iggerunt.

45 votes for "DanMax will never get that 12J together, anyway.

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:05 am
by York-aholic
DanMax wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 7:57 am Prediction: 45 well informed people will now weigh in on the subtle differences between 12J and 15J valve clusters.

15 votes for "12J valves in a 15J would obviously never work."
15 votes for "15J and 12J valves are exactly the same."
15 votes for "12J valves in a 15J would be a step up/down."

Edjumicate me, for I am iggerunt.

45 votes for "DanMax will never get that 12J together, anyway.

You know us well!

Re: Old Conn 15J that needs valve pistons. Help!

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:41 am
by The Big Ben
If a used one doesn't show up, go to a music store/repair store and have them order one from Allied or Conn-Selmer. Find the numbers yourself to make it easy on them. Pretty sure they will want full payment before ordering but....