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Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:58 am
by bloke
Of course, it's way too late for this (ie. a 15vab treble clef for tuba music).
All of the published music/parts over the last 150 years, etc...
...but/and - unarguably - the treble clef is the predominant clef of western music...so (well...) tuba players (whose first encounter with written music is in beginner band clef) would have been able to read a huge percentage of other written western music - without having to go back and learn treble clef.
...OK... Check this out:
- treble clef 15vab.jpg (71.87 KiB) Viewed 642 times
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:54 pm
by eeferman
Learning the soprano recorder was my gateway to the treble clef world. It greatly expanded my musical horizons,
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:07 pm
by iiipopes
British Brass Band music already does that, with the open note being notated middle C - one ledger line below the staff. This is related, because it sets forth the purpose of using transposed treble clef notation: group lessons. In order to teach enough people to play in a band, which was developed so factories could have something for their workers and family to do instead of just soaking at the pub, brass bands were developed in the mid 19th century. The names of the bands may now be truncated, and others have arisen along the way, but it is the origin. For example, the following band names (with the name of the factory):
Black Dyke (Mills)
Grimethorpe (Colliery)
Fodens (Motor Works)
More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rass_bands
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:57 pm
by bloke
iiipopes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:07 pm
British Brass Band music already does that, with the open note being notated middle C - one ledger line below the staff. This is related, because it sets forth the purpose of using transposed treble clef notation: group lessons. In order to teach enough people to play in a band, which was developed so factories could have something for their workers and family to do instead of just soaking at the pub, brass bands were developed in the mid 19th century. The names of the bands may now be truncated, and others have arisen along the way, but it is the origin. For example, the following band names (with the name of the factory):
Black Dyke (Mills)
Grimethorpe (Colliery)
Fodens (Motor Works)
More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rass_bands
You're sort of agreeing and arguing with me at the same time. Did you read my post slowly enough to get the whole thing?
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:08 am
by BramJ
I guess he didn't read the topic title ;)
I like the British brass band system, although I am now in the process of learning bass clef F fingerings to get access to more music.
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:45 am
by 2nd tenor
If you play an Eb Tuba with four valves then you get that symmetry in the bass clef. The note names change and key signature changes (from transposed treble clef).
Did Brass Bands get it right using the transposed treble clef system? Well it works rather well for the thousands of folk that use it …
What about Orchestras and Wind Bands? Good question, but my recollection of Bass Clef on the Trombone was many ledger lines of confusion, YMMV.
Re: Brass band tuba music (almost) has it right...
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:09 pm
by iiipopes
bloke wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:57 pm
iiipopes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:07 pm
British Brass Band music already does that, with the open note being notated middle C - one ledger line below the staff. This is related, because it sets forth the purpose of using transposed treble clef notation: group lessons. In order to teach enough people to play in a band, which was developed so factories could have something for their workers and family to do instead of just soaking at the pub, brass bands were developed in the mid 19th century. The names of the bands may now be truncated, and others have arisen along the way, but it is the origin. For example, the following band names (with the name of the factory):
Black Dyke (Mills)
Grimethorpe (Colliery)
Fodens (Motor Works)
More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rass_bands
You're sort of agreeing and arguing with me at the same time. Did you read my post slowly enough to get the whole thing?
Yes. Pointing out both the similarities and the differences in BBB and your OP.