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NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:14 am
by bloke
I was saving this back for MYSELF (if I ever decided to build myself another 186 C.

Since I sold (to Bill) probably the best-playing 186 C on the planet, I probably won't ever end up building one for myself.

A local private school - every few years - purchases yet another 186 from me.

I have a good-condition old (no kranz) 186S bell that I COULD use, and also this nearly-perfect vintage bell (with kranz).

From long-time storage, there is one very small bump in the rim (pictured) and two or three hallow/soft depressions - which I will remove prior to sale as if this bell was to be installed on an instrument for my own use (ie. my very best efforts).

Before I stick this nearly-perfect condition/never-used kranz bell on a school tuba to sell, I'm going to offer it up for sale at a (ok. sure...) high price, and see if anyone is interested in having a new/vintage 16-1/2" bell (as a possible replacement) for their own instrument.

This is no special-order/recently-made bell. This bell predates the 17-3/4" bells - though I do not know by how much. It's likely not from the 1960's as the seam is concentric/horizontal. A wild/best guess would be that it might be a half-century old.

Someone (crayon? marker?) wrote "BBb" on the bell ages ago. It's quite faded from age. I haven't noticed a difference in the bells for the two versions, but (maybe?) there is/was a subtle difference, and/or maybe (??) the original buyer marked it that way, as "BBb" is what they ordered for their stock...(??)

$3000 buys it immediately, and I'm willing to look at any offers.
I'd prefer that it be picked up.
I don't like shipping fragile/non-replaceable things, and "worry" them all the way to their destinations.
WERE I to ship it, but buyer MUST agree that it becomes THEIR property, THEIR risk, and THEIR liability - once I hand it off to some agreed-upon shipper.

So far, this is the first/only place that I've offered it up.



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Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:38 pm
by The Big Ben
Love being able to see those joints!

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:26 pm
by bort2.0
Makes me think of Wade, and his old Miraphones. Whatever happened to him, anyway?

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:40 pm
by matt g
bort2.0 wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:26 pm Makes me think of Wade, and his old Miraphones. Whatever happened to him, anyway?
I think Wade is still keeping up with the goings on around here but is also staying focused on what’s important to him right now.

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:23 pm
by bloke
I would polish up this bell (no lacquering...which would be burned anyway - when someone installed it...)

...but the polishing would be to check for an address very small (previously unnoticed "storage dents").

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:21 pm
by TheHatTuba
Couple random thoughts...
- If a Symphonie/PT-10 fits a 185 bell, what about the JP-15?
- Is a bell enough to un-new-ify a modern 186?

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:49 pm
by jtm
I have a 1965 Bb 186 that could use it, but that seems like kind of a waste. The Yamaha bell it has now works well enough.

Re: NEW/decades-old stock Miraphone 16-1/2" 186 bell...NEVER installed w/kranz NO serial #

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:47 pm
by bloke
TheHatTuba wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:21 pm Couple random thoughts...
- If a Symphonie/PT-10 fits a 185 bell, what about the JP-15?
- Is a bell enough to un-new-ify a modern 186?
A/ I have a lacquered on the inside and un-lacquered on the outside perfect gold brass pt15 size F tuba bell for sale.

B/ I strongly suspect it would get you pretty far down the road.