FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:26 pm
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Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:45 pm
I'd guess a Cerveny stencil.
Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm
I contacted the seller and it was a typo, actually Karl Sum. The engraving reads Karl Sum, Instrumenten Bau., Kirnbach/Wolfach.
I am guessing it is also a stencil. Based on the other trumpets and horns I'm seeing using that stencil I'm wondering if it actually might be Russian. Looks kinda like an old Zimmerman to me. Maybe B&M. Wonder if @TheBerlinerTuba knows anything about Karl Sum.
I am guessing it is also a stencil. Based on the other trumpets and horns I'm seeing using that stencil I'm wondering if it actually might be Russian. Looks kinda like an old Zimmerman to me. Maybe B&M. Wonder if @TheBerlinerTuba knows anything about Karl Sum.
Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:39 pm
Is the kranz inside the bell as well?
Karl Sum was a family run music store in SW Germany. Seems to have closed sometime in the last 10-15 years. From what I gather, at least the trumpets (and related) were built by the company.
Nice looking tuba. Kranz = fancy, so I wouldn't worry so much about build quality or anything. Pretty standard design that's tough to screw up for BBb. It's a matter of condition and repair, more than anything. And definitely not Russian IMO. It's far too nice for "is tuba" standards.
Karl Sum was a family run music store in SW Germany. Seems to have closed sometime in the last 10-15 years. From what I gather, at least the trumpets (and related) were built by the company.
Nice looking tuba. Kranz = fancy, so I wouldn't worry so much about build quality or anything. Pretty standard design that's tough to screw up for BBb. It's a matter of condition and repair, more than anything. And definitely not Russian IMO. It's far too nice for "is tuba" standards.
Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:35 pm
Specifically, the wide kranz reminded me of this Zimmermann (pre-St. Petersburg/Communist) BBb, but the resemblance may be purely superficial, along with the fact that both Soviet trumpets and Karl Sum trumpets employed those weird top action rotary valves.bort2.0 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:39 pm Is the kranz inside the bell as well?
Karl Sum was a family run music store in SW Germany. Seems to have closed sometime in the last 10-15 years. From what I gather, at least the trumpets (and related) were built by the company.
Nice looking tuba. Kranz = fancy, so I wouldn't worry so much about build quality or anything. Pretty standard design that's tough to screw up for BBb. It's a matter of condition and repair, more than anything. And definitely not Russian IMO. It's far too nice for "is tuba" standards.
Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:36 pm
The tuba is an Amati 4/4 BBb stencil. I believe Sum did make or at least assemble their own tubas many decades previously, but by the 70s it was just stencils.
arpthark wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm I contacted the seller and it was a typo, actually Karl Sum. The engraving reads Karl Sum, Instrumenten Bau., Kirnbach/Wolfach.
I am guessing it is also a stencil. Based on the other trumpets and horns I'm seeing using that stencil I'm wondering if it actually might be Russian. Looks kinda like an old Zimmerman to me. Maybe B&M. Wonder if @TheBerlinerTuba knows anything about Karl Sum.
Re: FB (MI): "Karl King" (?) rotary BBb
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:31 pm
Sold.