Tuba Tuesday: Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950

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Tuba Tuesday: Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950

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Happy Tuba Tuesday. Today, the Museum features an Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950.

Serial #: 8740

Bell Diameter 18 1/8”, Bore Size .575”.

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“ESQUIRE” on bell. Some floral engraving around identification marks. “MADE IN ITALY” on valve 2.



https://simonettitubacollection.com/ins ... ousaphone/
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I've tooted on a Barcone model of these, and it is an interesting challenge to get the sound one is used to out of them. It's there somewhere!

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humBell wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:01 am I've tooted on a Barcone model of these, and it is an interesting challenge to get the sound one is used to out of them. It's there somewhere!

Thanks!
Is it a sousaphone or a sousaphone shaped baritone? :huh:
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I believe a sousaphone shaped baritone.
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Valve slides seem much too long to my eye. My money is on very small bore BBb. Hard to tell without a banana for scale...
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arpthark wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:14 pm Valve slides seem much too long to my eye. My money is on very small bore BBb. Hard to tell without a banana for scale...
Concur.

Now i wonder how much a banana weighs...
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Compare and contrast with viewtopic.php?t=9983
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Re: Tuba Tuesday: Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950

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Courtesy of the Saxophone Museum. From a 4 pg 1927 Buescher baritone catalog….


Image34262_761_579 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129235491@N05/]
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Yes, apologies, you all are definitely right -- I see it now, especially compared to the size of that mouthpiece! Very interesting and odd stuff (which, in my opinion, is the best kind of stuff).

edit: or not!?
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Re: Tuba Tuesday: Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950

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When comparing the pictured sousa-whatever from the museum to the pictured Helicone Baritone in the ad,

The first valve circuit of the museum instrument is longer.
The 3rd valve circuit has a curly Q at the top. <-- this is usually a give away that a sousaphone is in BBb but given the small size of things, perhaps this is an Eb with the Curly Q employed to keep the tubing within the wrap.

Beats me. Its interesting though.
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York-aholic wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:53 am When comparing the pictured sousa-whatever from the museum to the pictured Helicone Baritone in the ad,

The first valve circuit of the museum instrument is longer.
The 3rd valve circuit has a curly Q at the top. <-- this is usually a give away that a sousaphone is in BBb but given the small size of things, perhaps this is an Eb with the Curly Q employed to keep the tubing within the wrap.

Beats me. Its interesting though.
Oof, now you got me doubting again. I'm waffling!
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Time for a road trip Blake!

But given that it has a neck and a mouthpiece on it, I’m going to assume that the Tuba Museum will have given it a honk and since they have it labeled as Bb and that 3rd valve circuit is way too long for a Bb baritone, I’m going with it being a rinkity dinkity peashooter BBb sousaphone.

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Re: Tuba Tuesday: Esquire, Miniature, B flat sousaphone, 3 piston, ca.1950

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bisontuba wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:16 am Courtesy of the Saxophone Museum. From a 4 pg 1927 Buescher baritone catalog….


Image34262_761_579 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/129235491@N05/]
Well, there is no banana in this illustration either.

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