New tuba: YCB-623

[Three Valves]

"Some other great news is that this will have a price tag that is affordable to the community!"

Yamma-Yorka-ZO?

[arpthark]

With me (and a few other forum members) picking up the cheap-as-dirt YFB-621 copy, coupled with this new attractively-priced (apparently) 4/4 tuba, it makes me wonder where new Yamahas are being made.
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(Once my Yamaclone comes in at the end of the month, I'd love to meet up with someone in southern New England/NYC Metro and do an A-B comparison if they have a real YFB-621.)
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I always found the YCB-822 to be an odd tuba. I kinda liked 'em, but just sort of an awkward tweener size and "meh" type of sound.

Always neat to see companies continuing to do R&D and making new models.

[Sousaswag]

I’ve actually never liked either 822… I don’t like the angle of the valveset and I detest the plastic guides they tend to use.

THIS tuba: Seems interesting, but I’d like to hear it played by someone who’s NOT Aaron Tindall

I wonder what the price will be and if it will take off. The 822 C never seemed to be popular at all. I’d also like to see it out next to some other horns in the 4/4-5/4 size class.

[LargeTuba]

I think I heard the price tags was 17,000 (don’t quote me on the that.) I guess that’s smaller price tag than the Yamayork…

Side note: I recently tried a yamayork, and I now realize why people play them.

[GC]

The BBb version lacks a fifth valve and is about $2K cheaper, according to the Yamaha USA web site.

[cjk]

https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/music ... oduct-tabs

Secondary Main Tuning Slide
The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide. This provides a greater tuning range, and solves a number of common problems such as extending the main slide too far in summer temperatures causing it to fall, or the pitch being too low and out of adjustment range in the winter months. The Secondary main tuning slide can be adjusted while playing, and it is possible to make fine pitch adjustments when no valves are pressed.

That's cool, but saying it's they're the first tubas in the world to provide a secondary main tuning slide is total BS.

[cjk]

I think I heard the price tags was 17,000 (don’t quote me on the that.) I guess that’s smaller price tag than the Yamayork…

Side note: I recently tried a yamayork, and I now realize why people play them.

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical ... index.html

MSRP over 15k, how much over depends on finish. Edit: <-- that is for the BBb versions. the lacquer CC is just over 16.5k, silver is just over 17k.

I wonder if Yamaha stuff sells for MSRP or if there's MAP pricing or what.

[arpthark]

https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/music ... oduct-tabs

Secondary Main Tuning Slide
The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide. This provides a greater tuning range, and solves a number of common problems such as extending the main slide too far in summer temperatures causing it to fall, or the pitch being too low and out of adjustment range in the winter months. The Secondary main tuning slide can be adjusted while playing, and it is possible to make fine pitch adjustments when no valves are pressed.

That's cool, but saying it's they're the first tubas in the world to provide a secondary main tuning slide is total BS.

I am wracking my brain trying to think of another tuba that offers both a tuneable on-the-fly Marzan-style main tuning slide as well as a conventional after-the-valves downward-facing main tuning slide. Whatcha thinking of?

Lots of tubas have two main tuning slides, but most are out of reach of the player to manipulate while playing.

[cjk]

https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/music ... oduct-tabs

Secondary Main Tuning Slide
The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide. This provides a greater tuning range, and solves a number of common problems such as extending the main slide too far in summer temperatures causing it to fall, or the pitch being too low and out of adjustment range in the winter months. The Secondary main tuning slide can be adjusted while playing, and it is possible to make fine pitch adjustments when no valves are pressed.

That's cool, but saying it's they're the first tubas in the world to provide a secondary main tuning slide is total BS.

I am wracking my brain trying to think of another tuba that offers both a tuneable on-the-fly Marzan-style main tuning slide as well as a conventional after-the-valves downward-facing main tuning slide. Whatcha thinking of?

Lots of tubas have two main tuning slides, but most are out of reach of the player to manipulate while playing.

It doesn't say what you said. It says "The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide. ". That's false. Tubas with two main tuning slides are easy to find. The Hirsbrunner HB2p for example.

If it said something like "The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide which is designed to be able to be moved on the fly while playing", that might actually be true.

[LargeTuba]

I’ve also heard that the second slide changes playing characteristics. Each player has their owned preferred setup.

[arpthark]

It says "The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide. ". That's false. Tubas with two main tuning slides are easy to find. The Hirsbrunner HB2p for example.

If it said something like "The YBB-623 and YCB-623 are the first tubas in the world to provide a Secondary main tuning slide which is designed to be able to be moved on the fly while playing", that might actually be true.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, HB-2P and Bueschers immediately came to mind. The VMI 3302 also. The VMI 3302 is actually adjustable while playing, but it's not the most comfortable position to grab a slide.

[bort2.0]

Based on a very small sample size of what I found online I 2 minutes, it seems like retail prices of Yamaha tubas are about 70% of the MSRP.

So if MSRP is $17k, I'd expect a retail price a little less than $12k.

I think "affordable" is a poor choice of words... More like "comparable" or "competitive" with other new tubas of it's size that are not made in China. To be honest, I think the price seems about right... I'd just want details. Or reassurance about country of origin.

[Sousaswag]

That price is… About what I expected.

We’ve had this discussion before. Affordable it is not to many people. Everybody has their own definition of affordable. Now, for a brand spanking new tuba, sure, compared to in-the-past prices, I’d consider it pretty good.

But, at $12K, there are MANY MANY options new and used. I’m interested to see if it’s that much better as compared to what it competes with.

[cjk]

Based on a very small sample size of what I found online I 2 minutes, it seems like retail prices of Yamaha tubas are about 70% of the MSRP.

So if MSRP is $17k, I'd expect a retail price a little less than $12k.

I think "affordable" is a poor choice of words... More like "comparable" or "competitive" with other new tubas of it's size that are not made in China. To be honest, I think the price seems about right... I'd just want details. Or reassurance about country of origin.

More than a new Miraphone 188.

https://hornguys.com/collections/cc-tub ... ry-cc-tuba

[York-aholic]

THIS tuba: Seems interesting, but I’d like to hear it played by someone who’s NOT Aaron Tindall

If you buy me one, I'll play it for you.

[GC]

Would someone please post the link to the Aaron Tindall sound sample? I can't find one that works.

[GC]

Would someone please post the link to the Aaron Tindall sound sample? I can't find one that works.

Does this work?

[GC]

Thanks, Matt.

[bloke]

It's their business obviously, but I'm not sure I would have numbered it so similarly to the YCB-621 (of which I have not-particularly fond memories).

Is the secondary main slide accessible, and does it need to be?

[dp]

I have been told by another Yamaha artist that it is based on Jim Self's 1930s model York 4/4 CC tuba. I have played on an early 1920s York factory original 4/4 CC tuba (the same model Jacobs was willing to trade one of the CSO Yorks to Bob LeBlanc to use as his main horn). This horn is an amazing horn. If Yamaha kept the same concept design, it should be a great horn. I would say it will probably be close or an improved version of the PT 606 (GR 41?) based on this information.

That was my understanding as well, based fairly-closely upon Jim's 692 York that Lee restored. I had thought the GR41 was based upon a different 4/4 CC York than the 692, maybe Mike Johnson can recall?

Whatever this Yamaha is, Aaron sure can play the Shirt out of it!