York Tuba, sister horn to “the” York

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York Tuba, sister horn to “the” York

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Not sure if someone here grabbed this but I saw it on FB yesterday. Quite the provenance, was only available for a few mins before it was marked sold.

Any other background would be cool to know.

Edit: initially said it was a BBb, but that seems inaccurate based on further discussion below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MYaCg ... p=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ubb7p ... p=drivesdk
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gnimoyw wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:54 am Not sure if someone here grabbed this but I saw it in FB yesterday. Quite the provenance, was only available for a few mins before it was marked sold.

Any other background would be cool to know.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MYaCg ... p=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ubb7p ... p=drivesdk
I did not, but I noticed that it had a "Curtis Institute of Music" engraving underneath the York engraving. Pretty dang cool.
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Did it say if it was CC or BBb?
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What was the price?
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bort2.0 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:51 am What was the price?
I think the ad listed $5,000 but the text said they were looking for offers.

I thought it was a CC.
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My apologies, I thought it said BBb, but now I looked back and it actually doesn't say if it's C or B.
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gnimoyw wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:47 pm My apologies, I thought it said BBb, but now I looked back and it actually doesn't say if it's C or B.
Based on the length of the first valve slide and just eyeballing the overall length of tubing, I think it is a CC.
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That is one of the earlier 4/4 CCs I believe.The bell looks weirdly large but that might be distortion from the camera. Later model 4/4 CCs (not that there were ever many made of either, didn't have the curly cue in the third valve tubing (like the difference between King 1241 and later model 2341s).

Not a sister but more like the little nephew. Neat horn!
Some old Yorks, Martins, and perhaps a King rotary valved CC
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Wonder if this is what B&S based the PT-606P on. The bell shape seems similar.
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I wonder what tuba nerd snagged it
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I think I would have bought it if I had the chance! Super cool horn!
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Someone local to me bought it. I told my tuba nerd buddy who told another tuba nerd buddy. I'm the local enabler
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A very interesting tuba....
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belongs in a museum.
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It was just a couple hundred miles from you, Joe...
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Coolest thing, imo, is that it has a fifth valve. I haven’t seen a York, other than the two CSO Yorks, with a rotary fifth. Plus the little flip on the ferrules to clear the rotor for disassembly.

Looks like fifth is a flat semitone. On a CC, this automatically devalues it to the same price as a Cerveny with the flat semitone fifth. Like $2400.
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I agree with both points about the 5th valve. Cool, but I couldn't possibly do more than $2401 (to outbid Matt).
Wonder if this is what B&S based the PT-606P on. The bell shape seems similar.
Supposedly it was this one they copied:
Original:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php ... 68#p322468
Modified:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=9392
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TheHatTuba wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:41 pm I agree with both points about the 5th valve. Cool, but I couldn't possibly do more than $2401 (to outbid Matt).
Wonder if this is what B&S based the PT-606P on. The bell shape seems similar.
Supposedly it was this one they copied:
Original:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php ... 68#p322468
Modified:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=9392
Thanks for this! Looks like the same model, besides the fifth valve, low pitch loop and detachable bell. Wrap and bell profile and such are the same. (At the time of that post, my TubeNet account was a year old and I was in college 😐)
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Ignoring the silver loss. I like how it looked before the mods better. Had a really tidy look with the valves basically centered in the bugle and equal-ish slide lengths above and below. Curtis one is similarly handsome.

Looking at it (PT-606P progenitor) again, isn't the curlycue slide the 4th valve? Guessing the idea was 123 plus long 4 for low register.
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TheHatTuba wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:41 pm I agree with both points about the 5th valve. Cool, but I couldn't possibly do more than $2401 (to outbid Matt).
Wonder if this is what B&S based the PT-606P on. The bell shape seems similar.
Supposedly it was this one they copied:
Original:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php ... 68#p322468
Modified:
http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?t=9392
Apparently I don't have the bona fides to view pix over at that fine, fine forum. :teeth:
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